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Old 02-01-2005, 07:22 PM     Post subject: Good push or Bad push #1 (permalink)  
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Busted out of the 3$R sat with this hand. Was it the right push in the situation?

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PokerStars Game #1156060096: Tournament #4952551, Hold'em No Limit - Level V
(75/150) - 2005/02/01 - 15:10:25 (ET)
Table '4952551 13' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Yomega (10335 in chips)
Seat 2: rickstirg (4055 in chips)
Seat 3: MANUELA (8195 in chips)
Seat 4: snappy123 (5790 in chips)
Seat 5: YFT206 (13645 in chips)
Seat 6: Putz (14940 in chips)
Seat 7: ibeth (4150 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: baboonca (4965 in chips)
Seat 9: iwasakib (5865 in chips)
Yomega: posts small blind 75
rickstirg: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to iwasakib [Ac Qd]
MANUELA: calls 150
snappy123: folds
YFT206: folds
Putz: folds
ibeth: folds
baboonca: folds
iwasakib: raises 450 to 600
Yomega: folds
rickstirg: folds
MANUELA: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [Kh 7c Td]
MANUELA: checks
iwasakib: bets 1000
MANUELA: calls 1000
*** TURN *** [Kh 7c Td] [7h]
MANUELA: checks
iwasakib: bets 4265 and is all-in
MANUELA: calls 4265
snappy123 said, "who said u shouldnt play AJ"
*** RIVER *** [Kh 7c Td 7h] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MANUELA: shows [Js 9c] (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
iwasakib: shows [Ac Qd] (a pair of Sevens)
MANUELA collected 11955 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11955 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 7c Td 7h 9d]
Seat 1: Yomega (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: rickstirg (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: MANUELA showed [Js 9c] and won (11955) with two pair, Nines and Sevens
Seat 4: snappy123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: YFT206 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Putz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ibeth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: baboonca folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: iwasakib (button) showed [Ac Qd] and lost with a pair of Sevens
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Old 02-01-2005, 07:32 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Good push in the sence that you were ahead when you did it. That was a very bad call on his part. A reasonable player would have folded there.

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Old 02-01-2005, 07:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Good push in the sence that you were ahead when you did it. That was a very bad call on his part. A reasonable player would have folded there.

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Freeze out portions of tournies are not about pushing small edges.

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Old 02-01-2005, 09:17 PM #6 (permalink)  
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My opinion, is yes, technically you were in the lead when you went AI, but it was a mistake because you should have THOUGHT you were beat at this point. The fact that you weren't was only a coincidence, considering how the hand played up to that point.
I was assuming he had a killer read because there is no way you can make this play without knowing the guy was drawing to a lower high card. There is the possibility that maybe a midpair would fold to that bet but this type of move is better used when you have the guy massively outstacked and his tourney life depends on this call. I didn't realize this at first but it is still in the really early stages of the freezeout where everyone is still in it, calling stations, maniacs, they are all still there.... even more of a reason not to try to force a fold.

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Old 02-01-2005, 10:36 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I had a very strong image at the table, this guy was playing a lot of junk and cold calling me, I put him on nothing but my question is, is this still the right push?

By no means was I playing "any 2 poker" or "who has the bigger balls" I just felt I was going to out play him on the hand. I thought at best he had a ten, and was most likely drawing. It was more of a semi bluff, and I was in need of doubling up and it WAS NOT a freeze out tourney. I did not double up before the break and was in need of a chip boost. It might have not been the best move, but in the situation it seemed like the right move.
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Old 02-02-2005, 02:54 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Slow down after the bluff attempt on the flop. Dont piss away your chips on this hand.
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Old 02-02-2005, 02:56 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Like 'rilla said you want to push with your big edges... he could have reasonably had you drawing to 6 outs if he had a K. Your first goal is survival in the beginnings of the freezeout, you don't want to put your chips at risk without a strong hand.

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