flopping low two pairs ... ($10+$1, 2 tables)

**donkbee** · 10-30-2005 08:46 PM

Yuck. No idea how to play this hand. What's my course of action when I'm reraised on the flop? If I am calling, what am I doing on the turn?

I've been doing a bad job of figuring out what the villian has in situations like this. How do you go abouts deciding what he has? How do you bet to figure it out? Do you definitely rule out pair of jacks good kicker because he reraised? How do I know when I definitely have to fold?

Any way to justify my idiotic reraise on the river? What are the chances of scaring him away with my imaginary straight? I'm thinking not much ... lol every part of this hand makes me wanna cry. Should I learn to check/call? I hate doing that, but is this a case in which you have to?

Bah I'm lost. Thanks in advance.

PokerStars Game #2931101985: Tournament #14460649, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/10/30 - 14:41:35 (ET)
Table '14460649 2' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: shareef101 (2227 in chips)
Seat 3: Corkenmahopp (1515 in chips)
Seat 4: jim1488 (1135 in chips)
Seat 6: courtiebee (3235 in chips)
Seat 8: skurtz88 (7343 in chips)
jim1488: posts small blind 25
courtiebee: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to courtiebee [Tc 5h]
skurtz88: calls 50
shareef101: folds
Corkenmahopp: calls 50
jim1488: calls 25
courtiebee: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jc 5s Td]
jim1488: checks
courtiebee: bets 100
skurtz88: folds
Corkenmahopp: raises 250 to 350
jim1488: folds
courtiebee: calls 250
*** TURN *** [Jc 5s Td] [7s]
courtiebee: checks
Corkenmahopp: bets 200
courtiebee: calls 200
*** RIVER *** [Jc 5s Td 7s] [6h]
courtiebee: checks
Corkenmahopp: bets 200
courtiebee: raises 2435 to 2635 and is all-in
Corkenmahopp: calls 715 and is all-in

**ProZachNation** · 10-30-2005 08:51 PM

I think he might have trips, if he doesnt I think you have him beat on the flop and turn, but theres a good chance its tip 5s I think.

ps. I bet I am horribly wrong and everyone laughs at me.

**HeavyP** · 10-30-2005 08:56 PM

If you don't like your hand that much you should've taken the cheap show down. However it *is* still two pair in a 5 handed game. Faking that straight does you no good because no one should be in chasing that straight. The only hand that you can beat that *might* call your all in is AJ.

ps: When I don't know if I'm good but I have made my hand (you're obviously shooting for two pair or better with your hand so I consider your hand 'made') but they are offering me a cheap show down I'm inclined to take it.

**vqc** · 10-30-2005 08:59 PM

I pot the flop
and then fight for a cheap showdown.

**Aquinas** · 10-30-2005 10:08 PM

I think u have 2 ways to play this hand...either reraise the flop and checkcall the turn/river...or checkcall from the flop if u have a read...ur allin on the river seems silly.

**Scuba Chuck** · 10-31-2005 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by vqc

I pot the flop
and then fight for a cheap showdown.

This is a pretty good line.

Alternatively, you don't have to worry about two pair as much here. In another thread, I wrote about letting go of two pair when the board had QJ3, and hero had J3. With TJ on the board, it's a little less worrisome, as villain's range is much wider. Furthermore, our villain is the button, who vpip, so this hand is different than sb v bb hands.

Anyhow, one thing that's worth considering, especially when the pot is not raised preflop (particularly if it's been raised less than 3xBBs), is don't find a way to stack off. A great many hands want to see showdowns. This is one of them. Your hand is strong. It's not the nuts.

10-30-2005 08:46 PM #1
donkbee View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message SERIOUSLY WTF Join Date May 2005 Posts 6,262 Location outer space	flopping low two pairs ... ($10+$1, 2 tables) Yuck. No idea how to play this hand. What's my course of action when I'm reraised on the flop? If I am calling, what am I doing on the turn? I've been doing a bad job of figuring out what the villian has in situations like this. How do you go abouts deciding what he has? How do you bet to figure it out? Do you definitely rule out pair of jacks good kicker because he reraised? How do I know when I definitely have to fold? Any way to justify my idiotic reraise on the river? What are the chances of scaring him away with my imaginary straight? I'm thinking not much ... lol every part of this hand makes me wanna cry. Should I learn to check/call? I hate doing that, but is this a case in which you have to? Bah I'm lost. Thanks in advance. PokerStars Game #2931101985: Tournament #14460649, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/10/30 - 14:41:35 (ET) Table '14460649 2' Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: shareef101 (2227 in chips) Seat 3: Corkenmahopp (1515 in chips) Seat 4: jim1488 (1135 in chips) Seat 6: courtiebee (3235 in chips) Seat 8: skurtz88 (7343 in chips) jim1488: posts small blind 25 courtiebee: posts big blind 50 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to courtiebee [Tc 5h] skurtz88: calls 50 shareef101: folds Corkenmahopp: calls 50 jim1488: calls 25 courtiebee: checks * FLOP * [Jc 5s Td] jim1488: checks courtiebee: bets 100 skurtz88: folds Corkenmahopp: raises 250 to 350 jim1488: folds courtiebee: calls 250 * TURN * [Jc 5s Td] [7s] courtiebee: checks Corkenmahopp: bets 200 courtiebee: calls 200 * RIVER * [Jc 5s Td 7s] [6h] courtiebee: checks Corkenmahopp: bets 200 courtiebee: raises 2435 to 2635 and is all-in Corkenmahopp: calls 715 and is all-in
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10-30-2005 08:51 PM #2
ProZachNation View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2005 Posts 2,745 Location Over there!	I think he might have trips, if he doesnt I think you have him beat on the flop and turn, but theres a good chance its tip 5s I think. ps. I bet I am horribly wrong and everyone laughs at me.
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10-30-2005 08:56 PM #3
HeavyP View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2004 Posts 173	If you don't like your hand that much you should've taken the cheap show down. However it is still two pair in a 5 handed game. Faking that straight does you no good because no one should be in chasing that straight. The only hand that you can beat that might call your all in is AJ. ps: When I don't know if I'm good but I have made my hand (you're obviously shooting for two pair or better with your hand so I consider your hand 'made') but they are offering me a cheap show down I'm inclined to take it.

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10-30-2005 08:59 PM #4
vqc View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2005 Posts 6,560	I pot the flop and then fight for a cheap showdown.

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10-30-2005 10:08 PM #5
Aquinas View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2005 Posts 295	I think u have 2 ways to play this hand...either reraise the flop and checkcall the turn/river...or checkcall from the flop if u have a read...ur allin on the river seems silly.

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10-31-2005 01:45 AM #6
Scuba Chuck View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 1,098	Originally Posted by vqc I pot the flop and then fight for a cheap showdown. This is a pretty good line. Alternatively, you don't have to worry about two pair as much here. In another thread, I wrote about letting go of two pair when the board had QJ3, and hero had J3. With TJ on the board, it's a little less worrisome, as villain's range is much wider. Furthermore, our villain is the button, who vpip, so this hand is different than sb v bb hands. Anyhow, one thing that's worth considering, especially when the pot is not raised preflop (particularly if it's been raised less than 3xBBs), is don't find a way to stack off. A great many hands want to see showdowns. This is one of them. Your hand is strong. It's not the nuts.

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