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Old 11-04-2009, 07:23 PM     Post subject: flop play? #1 (permalink)  
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1st hand of tourny so no reads
except its 5 way to the flop

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Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
Hero (MP2) (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q
2 folds, MP1 calls t20, Hero bets t100, 1 fold, CO calls t100, 1 fold, SB calls t90, BB calls t80, MP1 calls t80

Flop: (t500) Q, J, A (5 players)
SB bets t220, 1 fold, MP1 calls t220, ???
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'd just shove because any reasonable raise is pot committing anyway. IMO the only debate about this hand should be between raising to ~700 and shoving
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:46 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 yeah just get it in, a lot of cards can come that will kill action from Ax or two pair and I doubt someone will call 600-800 that would fold to a shove.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:20 AM #4 (permalink)  
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standard shove, no one is folding Ax or flush draw on the flop.
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:28 AM #5 (permalink)  
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being 5 way can KT ever be enough of a concearn to make this a fold?
1st hand of tourny with only $100 invested

i almost timed out, feeling the KT was out there
but i couldnt make a hero fold

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Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
Hero (MP2) (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q
2 folds, MP1 calls t20, Hero bets t100, 1 fold, CO calls t100, 1 fold, SB calls t90, BB calls t80, MP1 calls t80

Flop: (t500) Q, J, A (5 players)
SB bets t220, 1 fold, MP1 calls t220, Hero raises to t1400 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls t1180 (All-In), MP1 calls t1180 (All-In)

Turn: (t4700) 3 (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (t4700) 3 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: t4700

Results:
SB had Q, J (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
MP1 had K, 10 (straight, Ace high).
Hero had Q, Q (full house, Queens over threes).
Outcome: Hero won t4700

maybe just being results driven (he had KT)
but felt i would be losing alot of value from my big hands if i folded to excalty KT...
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:36 AM #6 (permalink)  
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no

put villains on a range of hands that could bet or call a big bet on this flop. QQ crushes that range. where exactly do you think you can fold?
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:59 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 Its not like your drawing dead vs KT, your 36%
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:18 AM #8 (permalink)  
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thanks for the replies guys,
was thinking i played it right ,but being 5 way wasnt sure
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:24 AM #9 (permalink)  
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put villains on a range of hands that could bet or call a big bet on this flop. QQ crushes that range. where exactly do you think you can fold?
fold to flop bet by sb,
HU or 2 callers this is a snap shove
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:44 AM #10 (permalink)  
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folding 3rd nuts to a flop bet is bad.
Playing big pots at small stakes.
 
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:44 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Do you have pokerstove installed in your computer? If not, you should get it asap. It is free.
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Board: As Js Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.677% 68.04% 00.64% 42437 397.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 31.323% 30.69% 00.64% 19139 397.00 { AA, JJ, ATs+, KsQs, KTs, QJs, QsTs, ATo+, KTo, QJo }
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