-A few $5.50 hands- JJ, 99, TP turn middle flush

**Im_new** · 02-22-2008 04:26 AM

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No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t1500
UTG+1: t1500
MP1: t1500
MP2: t1500
MP3: t1500
CO: t1500
Button: t1500
SB: t1500
HERO: t1500

Pre-flop: (9 players) HERO is BB with T

K

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t20 (pot was t30), 3 folds, CO calls t20 (pot was t50), Button calls t20 (pot was t70), SB calls t10 (pot was t90), HERO checks.

Flop: 3

5

K

(t100, 5 players)
SB checks, HERO bets t100, UTG+1 folds, CO calls t100 (pot was t200), 2 folds.

Turn: A

(t300, 2 players)
HERO ??? How much should Hero bet here?

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No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
HERO: t1265
UTG+1: t400
CO: t2115
Button: t1990
SB: t5135
BB: t2595

Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is UTG with J

J

HERO raises to t150, 4 folds, BB raises to t500, HERO ??? Should we get it in right now?

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No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2240
UTG+1: t1195
MP1: t2090
CO: t5060
Button: t1225
HERO: t1290
BB: t400

Pre-flop: (7 players) HERO is SB with 9

9

UTG calls t50 (pot was t75), UTG+1 calls t50 (pot was t125), MP1 calls t50 (pot was t175), CO folds, Button raises to t200, HERO ??? With my stack size, what are you doing here?

These are all from different tourneys and I was basically in a vaccum on all of these. But I know that all three players were your typical 5.50 player.

**humanfugitive** · 02-22-2008 05:12 AM

Hand1: I think I'd check/call and vbet river if he checks behind, seeing as we are either far ahead or far behind.

Hand2: I think this is entirely read dependent, but even then I can't see normal players 3betting with anything less than 99 or AJs. In that case you're only ahead against 3 hands and a dog/flip to the others. It's not worth it IMO.

Hand3: I think fold/shove are both supportable choices. Not sure on the EV stuff tho.

I'm a noob so consider that when you read my drivel...

**taipan168** · 02-22-2008 07:15 AM

Hand 1 (KTo) - I think I agree with humanfugitive, I would check behind. It is true that we are only fearing the Q

and J

(and 4s2s of course) but a lot of players will check those hands hoping to get a bet out of you. If you check behind on the turn you have to call a river value bet, however - by checking behind worse spades will often bet the river.

Hand 2 (JJ) - I shove over. $5.50 players will re-raise with a lot of hands that you beat, if they have overcards to your JJ, a) you have the right price to flip and b) there is some overlay in the pot (your 150 bet plus the blinds). Even at humanfugitive's range we are ahead:

Code:

	equity 	win 	tie 	 
Hand 0: 	52.243%  	51.29% 	00.95% 	   { JJ }
Hand 1: 	47.757%  	46.80% 	00.95% 	   { 99+, AJs+, AJo+ }

Hand 3 (99) - I would fold, you don't have implied odds to play for set value, you are far from closing the action so somebody could re-raise after you putting you in an even worse spot, and given that Button raised over limpers you have to give him credit for something of a hand (and he won't fold if you shove over).

If Button had limped I would instashove.

**Im_new** · 02-22-2008 01:52 PM

wait...hand one...I check behind on the flop? I'm first to act on the turn...

**GatorJH** · 02-22-2008 03:31 PM

I think Tai meant check/call

**Im_new** · 02-22-2008 03:47 PM

ok....in that hand I checked and he bet 600...I know I can't call that, right?

**GatorJH** · 02-22-2008 05:56 PM

so you think he would bet 3x the pot with the J or Q of Spades? Man I would hurt my wrist getting to the push button with that kind of bet.

**Im_new** · 02-22-2008 06:48 PM

I put nothing past a donk....

**GatorJH** · 02-22-2008 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Im_new

I put nothing past a donk....

LOL - I am still pushing over here.

**drmcboy** · 02-22-2008 06:59 PM

I can't tell if I'm following this right, but shoving over on the river in hand 1 is really bad. call or fold is tough. This is exactly how a lot of people will play the nuts and given we don't have a great price folding isn't too bad, but we checked turn specifically to get a bluff so we should probably call.

**taipan168** · 02-23-2008 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Im_new

wait...hand one...I check behind on the flop? I'm first to act on the turn...

Oops, yes I meant check and see what he does. After opp bets 600, although I agree with drmcboy that this could be a bluff or a weaker spade, I think opp has the Js or Qs often enough to mean that we don't have the right price to call. Plus if we do call, it is likely that we will face another bet on the river (AI given the pot size) and we will be in a tough spot.

02-22-2008 04:26 AM #1
Im_new View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2007 Posts 1,047	-A few $5.50 hands- JJ, 99, TP turn middle flush Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t10/t20 9 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: t1500 UTG+1: t1500 MP1: t1500 MP2: t1500 MP3: t1500 CO: t1500 Button: t1500 SB: t1500 HERO: t1500 Pre-flop: (9 players) HERO is BB with T K UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t20 (pot was t30), 3 folds, CO calls t20 (pot was t50), Button calls t20 (pot was t70), SB calls t10 (pot was t90), HERO checks. Flop: 3 5 K (t100, 5 players) SB checks, HERO bets t100, UTG+1 folds, CO calls t100 (pot was t200), 2 folds. Turn: A (t300, 2 players) HERO ??? How much should Hero bet here? ************************* Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t25/t50 6 players Converter Stack sizes: HERO: t1265 UTG+1: t400 CO: t2115 Button: t1990 SB: t5135 BB: t2595 Pre-flop:** (6 players) HERO is UTG with J J HERO raises to t150, 4 folds, BB raises to t500, HERO ??? Should we get it in right now? ********************************* Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t25/t50 7 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: t2240 UTG+1: t1195 MP1: t2090 CO: t5060 Button: t1225 HERO: t1290 BB: t400 Pre-flop:** (7 players) HERO is SB with 9 9 UTG calls t50 (pot was t75), UTG+1 calls t50 (pot was t125), MP1 calls t50 (pot was t175), CO folds, Button raises to t200, HERO ??? With my stack size, what are you doing here? These are all from different tourneys and I was basically in a vaccum on all of these. But I know that all three players were your typical 5.50 player.
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02-22-2008 05:12 AM #2
humanfugitive View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2007 Posts 150	Hand1: I think I'd check/call and vbet river if he checks behind, seeing as we are either far ahead or far behind. Hand2: I think this is entirely read dependent, but even then I can't see normal players 3betting with anything less than 99 or AJs. In that case you're only ahead against 3 hands and a dog/flip to the others. It's not worth it IMO. Hand3: I think fold/shove are both supportable choices. Not sure on the EV stuff tho. I'm a noob so consider that when you read my drivel...

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02-22-2008 07:15 AM #3
taipan168 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 10,571 Location Sydney	Hand 1 (KTo) - I think I agree with humanfugitive, I would check behind. It is true that we are only fearing the Q and J (and 4s2s of course) but a lot of players will check those hands hoping to get a bet out of you. If you check behind on the turn you have to call a river value bet, however - by checking behind worse spades will often bet the river. Hand 2 (JJ) - I shove over. $5.50 players will re-raise with a lot of hands that you beat, if they have overcards to your JJ, a) you have the right price to flip and b) there is some overlay in the pot (your 150 bet plus the blinds). Even at humanfugitive's range we are ahead: Code: equity win tie Hand 0: 52.243% 51.29% 00.95% { JJ } Hand 1: 47.757% 46.80% 00.95% { 99+, AJs+, AJo+ } Hand 3 (99) - I would fold, you don't have implied odds to play for set value, you are far from closing the action so somebody could re-raise after you putting you in an even worse spot, and given that Button raised over limpers you have to give him credit for something of a hand (and he won't fold if you shove over). If Button had limped I would instashove.

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02-22-2008 01:52 PM #4
Im_new View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2007 Posts 1,047	wait...hand one...I check behind on the flop? I'm first to act on the turn...
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02-22-2008 03:31 PM #5
GatorJH View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 5,826 Location HotLanta	I think Tai meant check/call
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02-22-2008 03:47 PM #6
Im_new View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2007 Posts 1,047	ok....in that hand I checked and he bet 600...I know I can't call that, right?
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02-22-2008 05:56 PM #7
GatorJH View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 5,826 Location HotLanta	so you think he would bet 3x the pot with the J or Q of Spades? Man I would hurt my wrist getting to the push button with that kind of bet.
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02-22-2008 06:48 PM #8
Im_new View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2007 Posts 1,047	I put nothing past a donk....
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02-22-2008 06:49 PM #9
GatorJH View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 5,826 Location HotLanta	Originally Posted by Im_new I put nothing past a donk.... LOL - I am still pushing over here.
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02-22-2008 06:59 PM #10
drmcboy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message DrButtInski Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 10,669	I can't tell if I'm following this right, but shoving over on the river in hand 1 is really bad. call or fold is tough. This is exactly how a lot of people will play the nuts and given we don't have a great price folding isn't too bad, but we checked turn specifically to get a bluff so we should probably call.

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02-23-2008 12:04 AM #11
taipan168 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 10,571 Location Sydney	Originally Posted by Im_new wait...hand one...I check behind on the flop? I'm first to act on the turn... Oops, yes I meant check and see what he does. After opp bets 600, although I agree with drmcboy that this could be a bluff or a weaker spade, I think opp has the Js or Qs often enough to mean that we don't have the right price to call. Plus if we do call, it is likely that we will face another bet on the river (AI given the pot size) and we will be in a tough spot.

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