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Early in a $3.40 SnG - low overpair in a multiway pot

  
 
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Fielmann
Old 09-21-2009, 06:28 AM     Post subject: Early in a $3.40 SnG - low overpair in a multiway pot #1 (permalink)  
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SB (t1520)
BB (t1530)
UTG (t1310)
UTG+1 (t1170)
MP1 (t1540)
MP2 (t1490)
MP3 (t1940)
CO (t1540)
Hero (Button) (t1460)

Hero's M: 48.67

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
1 fold, UTG+1 bets t80, 2 folds, MP3 calls t80, 1 fold, Hero calls t80, 1 fold, BB calls t60

Flop: (t330) 5, 7, 10 (4 players)
BB bets t20, UTG+1 raises to t160, MP3 calls t160, Hero calls t160, BB calls t140

Turn: (t970) 7 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets t1220 (All-In)
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Old 09-21-2009, 06:50 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Against an unknown player in UTG+1 and with a cold caller in the hand, I would re-raise preflop to 250-300 to try to get heads up. I am not afraid to get more money in the pot since your hand is very likely to be best at this point.

Against a known winning player in UTG+1 I would also cold call and play for set value (and play carefully if you flop an overpair).

Flop: As you played, I would just shove it right here. There are 670 chips in the pot when it gets to you, I want to price out any draws and there are hands that you beat that will call. UTG+1's raise doesn't mean all that much, his bet is pretty much what he would bet if he was c-betting missed overcards.

I would be interested to hear the logic behind why you just cold called the flop.

Turn: I think shoving is fine once you're at this point, I don't see the point of checking behind since 7x is really the only hand that would have caught up to you on the turn, might as well get your chips in.
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 Preflop: As Tai said, I think reraising is the better line

Flop: I really do not like the call here, you have to decide whether you have the best hand or not - if you believe UTG+1 has a higher pair then fold, if not then raise over, the chances of the turn improving someone to a better hand then yours in a 4 way pot are too high to just call and hope for the best.

Turn: Considering how the hand has played so far I kind of like your play, you are representing a 7 and you may get a better hand to fold here


 
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Flop: I really do not like the call here, you have to decide whether you have the best hand or not - if you believe UTG+1 has a higher pair then fold, if not then raise over, the chances of the turn improving someone to a better hand then yours in a 4 way pot are too high to just call and hope for the best.
I would have a hard time putting UTG+1 on QQ+ or TT as an exclusive range, particularly at a $3.40 and since we have no reads, but otherwise I agree that calling is the worst option
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:57 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the input, it's very helpful.
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I would be interested to hear the logic behind why you just cold called the flop.
I guess so would I
I probably just gave too much credit to UTG+1's raise and thought things like "this is essentially a B-range hand so let's play for pot control" etc. In hindsight this was pretty weak and scared and stupid. There is a vast number of scare cards that may come, the pot is getting big whether I want it or not, and if someone bets turn and river, I'm hardly ever folding.
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Thanks for the input, it's very helpful.
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I would be interested to hear the logic behind why you just cold called the flop.
I guess so would I
I probably just gave too much credit to UTG+1's raise and thought things like "this is essentially a B-range hand so let's play for pot control" etc. In hindsight this was pretty weak and scared and stupid. There is a vast number of scare cards that may come, the pot is getting big whether I want it or not, and if someone bets turn and river, I'm hardly ever folding.
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, just that you need to think about the purpose and reasoning behind every action that you take.

An example of an occasion when you want to control the size of the pot is as follows:
- Blinds 10/20
- I am in the CO and open raise with ATs
- SB cold calls
- Flop comes A high with no real draws, SB checks, I bet the flop and SB calls again
- Turn comes a brick and SB checks
- In this case I would most likely check behind on the turn so that the pot stays small enough such that I can call a half-pot bet on the river if SB leads without doing too much damage to my stack if I'm wrong.
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