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ministaker
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09-22-2008, 11:06 PM
Post subject: Is this correct thinking or still way off
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Situation just recently and I wanted to check to see if my thinking in MTTs (still new) was correct or if I still need work:
Situation:
micro stake ($2.25, gotta start somewhere.. if you can't beat these.. etc...)MTT.. I have an average stack of around $5400. The antes have just kicked in and I'm on the SB at $120/$240.
Folds to a MP stack with $20,000 who opens with a min bet to $480.
Folds to me with AKs.
My thoughts: He can't be that strong as there are a few big stacks on his left who could easily call with some spec hands in that spot getting a good price.
My AK is probably ahead of his min bet range (Small PPs, Axs, SC, plain old fashioned steal). He has min bet a couple of times before and likes to push his stack around on the flop/turn.
I decide to shove all in thinking my stack represents 1/4 his stack. He may dump his hand (not wanting to call off in a bad spot) or will only call with a solid PP 99+, in which case I'm flipping for all my chips V chance to double up and sit comfortably.
Is this the right thinking?
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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shoving is fine
Unless you've seen him show down I would not assume small raise=small hand and/or big raise = big hand.
I would probably make it 1500 and shove any flop unless you clobber it
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mcatdog
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Shoving is losing value, raise to 1300 let him call and let him flop a dominated pair. The problem with your thinking is you're forcing him to fold hands you don't want him to fold.
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chardrian
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I actually like shoving there more than raising to just 1300.
raising to 1300 just compounds the awkwardness. Villain calls, flop comes rags, we c-bet, he pushes and we now have the decision back on us.
If I'm raising in a small stakes tourney like this, I'm raising to like 2k so that there is no way I'm folding postflop.
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revolvingiris
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Originally Posted by chardrian
I actually like shoving there more than raising to just 1300.
raising to 1300 just compounds the awkwardness. Villain calls, flop comes rags, we c-bet, he pushes and we now have the decision back on us.
If I'm raising in a small stakes tourney like this, I'm raising to like 2k so that there is no way I'm folding postflop.
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x2 IMO...
our raise would be almost 1/4th our stack. Say he calls and we completely miss the flop. Do we treat it more like a stop and go? Just check? If hero had around a 13k -15k stack I would me more inclined to raise. But being at such an odd stack size, I'm pushing.
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dranger7070
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I'm no pro, but I do the same thing here. You have an awkward chip stack, and at worst you're probly 50/50. It's a good time to try and double, and if he folds, you still get a mediocre sized pot in return.
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mcatdog
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Why are you guys afraid of people calling you with bad hands when you have position and AK? Do you think this guy is making money calling off 15% of his stack OOP to a 3bet with like JT? If not, then him losing money equals you making money, this is basic Theory of Poker stuff. Of course if you think he's still going to call if you raise to 1700 then do that, but otherwise I'd want to raise the maximum amount that induces him to make terrible mistakes and I guess 1300 is a good size for that.
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chardrian
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Couple things: 1) we're not in position - we're the SB; 2) I really think your raise size is horrible as it is making the pot size compared to your stack size really awkward.
But I'm interested to hear your plan of attack - what's your postflop plan mcat?
Are you c-betting 100% if he calls?
Lets say we raise to 1300, and he calls. We now have just over 4k, the pot has about 3k. What's your play?
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mcatdog
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OOOOOps, us being out of position changes everything obviously. Yeah I'd just raise enough that you can shove any flop for pot.
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chardrian
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Ok - me too.
But now I'm interested in how you'd play if we actually were the button.
So same scenario. We raise to 1300 he calls. Pot has about 3k, we have about 4k.
What do you do if he donk bets?
What do you do if he checks?
(I am assuming the flop has come dry like it will 2/3 of the time).
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