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daluchy
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04-27-2006, 04:23 AM
Post subject: Comments: So you want to master SnGs?
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Why no comments on this?
Excellent post, esp. for people just starting out SnGs or the some of us who need a fresher upper.
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1. overvaluing mid pocket pairs
2. knowing you should fold, but donkishly calling or raising anyway
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vaks
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Yes this was a great post... the second time ive read it, and I think this was the best advice I got in my entire topic. just wish someone would review the other sng i posted in that post 
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JeffreyGB
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Yes this was a great post... the second time ive read it, and I think this was the best advice I got in my entire topic. just wish someone would review the other sng i posted in that post |
Got a final tomorrow at 8am. I'll look at it after that.
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ripjohngotti
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Ah if poker was this easy 
Good concept, thanks
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30%
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Da GOAT
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Nah Jefferys post doesnt need to be replied too.
Nah instead if it drops down to the bottom of the page ill dump it!!!!
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justo_TX
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04-27-2006, 07:18 PM
Post subject: Re: So you want to master SnGs?
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4. Next, learn about M.
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Aside from being the letter that comes before N and after L what is M?
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WildBobAA
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M is a number calculated by your chipstack divided by the cost of one round. So if the blinds are 100/200 with no ante and you have 1500 chips. Your M is 5. This subject is discussed thuroghly in HOH 2. Basically if you don't know about M (or at least some sense of it) you will be a losing player.
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GatorJH
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04-27-2006, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
4. Next, learn about M.
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Aside from being the letter that comes before N and after L what is M? |
The basic answer to that is that you M is the size of your stack in relation to the blinds and antes. A couple of examples are:
You have 1,000 and the blinds are 15/30. Your M is calculated by 1000/45 = just over 22
you have 1,500 chips with 6 people left, blinds at 100/200 and an ante of 25. Now your M is just over 3 ((25*6+300)/1500).
Knowing your M is just part of the equation as how you play hands differs when your M is Over 20, between 10-15 and less than 10.
To get a very good understanding on how "M"'s work go read Harrington on Hold em. He discusses M's in Vol II, but you will want to read Vol I first.
Good Luck
Edit: I just noticed that was your first post so let me be the first to welcome you to FTR's message board.
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Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
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Dislexsik
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04-27-2006, 07:38 PM
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5. Next, learn about first-in vigorish and folding equity. These will be huge boosts, and combined with the rest of the above should let you beat the game at the $55 level
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Where can i learn this? 
And another noob question is where can i learn about what is +EV or -EV?
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WildBobAA
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HOH HOH HOH
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fasin8ing
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04-27-2006, 08:06 PM
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And another noob question is where can i learn about what is +EV or -EV?
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TOP TOP TOP TOP
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GatorJH
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BTW, HOH = Harrington on Hold em and TOP = Theroy of Poker (By Sklansky)
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Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
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Hartlin
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Anyone mind explaining fold equity to me?
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justo_TX
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BTW, HOH = Harrington on Hold em and TOP = Theroy of Poker (By Sklansky) |
Ah, I acutally bought this book (TOP that is) last week and am slowly making my way through it (stoopid work keeps getting in the way). Thanks for the info guys!
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Rondavu
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Wow, that chick is Hot
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Staresy
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lol .... beats Stripclub's effort in the COmmunity!!
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JeffreyGB
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Anyone mind explaining fold equity to me?
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Folding equity is the value your hand gains from the potential to make your opponent fold. To a large extent, it relies on first-in vigorish (i.e. the added strength of being the first one in the pot), as well as Sklansky's Gap Concent (the gap between how strong a hand you need to make a raise and how strong a hand you need to call a raise).
HOH2 discusses all of this, though I don't know if the Gap Concept is mentioned by name.
TOP talks about the Gap Concept and a ton of other stuff...(I'm currently still making my way through it).
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taipan168
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04-28-2006, 12:41 AM
Post subject: Re: So you want to master SnGs?
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And another noob question is where can i learn about what is +EV or -EV?
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This post from Scuba Chuck was pretty good I thought
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=22221
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ripjohngotti
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nice keep it coming.
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30%
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pokerroomace
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The most important thing in SnG's IMO is to steal the blinds when they start to get bigger.
Play it very tight till the blinds reach 50/100+, then start making big bets and stealing the blinds.
Steal the blinds, don't be scared, most important thing in $11 SnG
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