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Old 03-31-2007, 07:09 AM     Post subject: the big thread about should i push this?? #1 (permalink)  
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well, not so big yet. hopefully it will be. basically, a lot of people post here ask whether we should push this or that in this or that situation. why not just have 1 single thread asking the question? you ask, people answer. that's it.

i'll start off.
stacks 5954, 3315, 1950 (me in SB), 2281 (BB)
fold, fold. i push with 22 in the SB. easy push right?
 
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Old 03-31-2007, 08:25 AM     Post subject: Re: the big thread about should i push this?? #2 (permalink)  
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stacks 5954, 3315, 1950 (me in SB), 2281 (BB)
fold, fold. i push with 22 in the SB. easy push right?
Assuming blinds are 100/200 or above, easy push for me. Unless BB is an idiot he won't call you wide here. Plus in most situations if you're called, you're usually a 50/50 or 55/45 favourite.
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Old 03-31-2007, 06:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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i put it into the sngwiz trial.
the point between pushing/folding is when BB's calling range is ~35%.
 
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Old 03-31-2007, 07:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 04-01-2007, 08:56 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 No history with crippp, 25/0 over like 20 hands

PokerStars Game #9200521777: Tournament #42024191, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/01 - 15:27:35 (ET)
Table '42024191 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DCMirage (2145 in chips)
Seat 2: swiggidy (1280 in chips)
Seat 3: Anosmic (1232 in chips)
Seat 4: pokerdwarf (1435 in chips)
Seat 5: C2Knuckles (1590 in chips)
Seat 6: givememyleg (1665 in chips)
Seat 7: rocker52 (1995 in chips)
Seat 8: cripppp (1045 in chips)
Seat 9: Isopbc (1203 in chips)
rocker52: posts small blind 15
cripppp: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to swiggidy [:Kc: :Ad:]
Isopbc: folds
DCMirage: calls 30
swiggidy: raises 90 to 120
Anosmic: folds
pokerdwarf: folds
C2Knuckles: folds
givememyleg: folds
rocker52: folds
cripppp: raises 925 to 1045 and is all-in
DCMirage: folds
swiggidy: calls 925
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Old 04-01-2007, 09:20 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by swiggidy
No history with crippp, 25/0 over like 20 hands

PokerStars Game #9200521777: Tournament #42024191, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/01 - 15:27:35 (ET)
Table '42024191 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DCMirage (2145 in chips)
Seat 2: swiggidy (1280 in chips)
Seat 3: Anosmic (1232 in chips)
Seat 4: pokerdwarf (1435 in chips)
Seat 5: C2Knuckles (1590 in chips)
Seat 6: givememyleg (1665 in chips)
Seat 7: rocker52 (1995 in chips)
Seat 8: cripppp (1045 in chips)
Seat 9: Isopbc (1203 in chips)
rocker52: posts small blind 15
cripppp: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to swiggidy [:Kc: :Ad:]
Isopbc: folds
DCMirage: calls 30
swiggidy: raises 90 to 120
Anosmic: folds
pokerdwarf: folds
C2Knuckles: folds
givememyleg: folds
rocker52: folds
cripppp: raises 925 to 1045 and is all-in
DCMirage: folds
swiggidy: calls 925
Considering the type of players, I don't think it's bad, but I don't think that you have to.
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Old 04-01-2007, 09:45 PM #7 (permalink)  
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You're probably behind a pair here unless he's playing some kind of read. The pot makes it +EV anyway. I like it.
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No history with crippp, 25/0 over like 20 hands

Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30)
Dealt to swiggidy [:Kc: :Ad:]
swiggidy: raises 90 to 120
cripppp: raises 925 to 1045 and is all-in
his push says he's got a hand that wants to take it down right now, and not necessarily strong enough to see the flop and decide then. personally i don't like gambling so early in the tournament so i fold. but calling isn't bad, and might be better since you're at least 3:2 favourite (non PP more likely than PP)
 
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3rd or 4th hand, no reads

$25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/01 - 17:47:43 (ET)
Table '### 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ZZ HOG (2340 in chips)
Seat 2: bob29 (1230 in chips)
Seat 3: breakanddish (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: skipbro (1000 in chips)
Seat 5: chewbucka (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: tureti (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Medusa HD (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (1530 in chips)
Seat 9: wfergie (1500 in chips)
skipbro: posts small blind 10
chewbucka: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qd Qh]
tureti: folds
Medusa HD: calls 20
Hero : raises 80 to 100
wfergie: folds
ZZ HOG: folds
bob29: calls 100
breakanddish: raises 80 to 180
skipbro: folds
chewbucka: folds
Medusa HD: folds
Hero : raises 1350 to 1530 and is all-in
 
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Old 04-02-2007, 01:15 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
3rd or 4th hand, no reads

$25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/01 - 17:47:43 (ET)
Table '### 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ZZ HOG (2340 in chips)
Seat 2: bob29 (1230 in chips)
Seat 3: breakanddish (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: skipbro (1000 in chips)
Seat 5: chewbucka (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: tureti (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Medusa HD (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (1530 in chips)
Seat 9: wfergie (1500 in chips)
skipbro: posts small blind 10
chewbucka: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qd Qh]
tureti: folds
Medusa HD: calls 20
Hero : raises 80 to 100
wfergie: folds
ZZ HOG: folds
bob29: calls 100
breakanddish: raises 80 to 180
skipbro: folds
chewbucka: folds
Medusa HD: folds
Hero : raises 1350 to 1530 and is all-in
This one is pretty standard for me readless. Min re-raise is not always AA or KK, particularly at these stakes (which I play too).

The other line would be to 4-bet him to 600 and see what he does.
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Old 04-02-2007, 01:16 AM #11 (permalink)  
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3rd or 4th hand, no reads

$25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/01 - 17:47:43 (ET)
Table '### 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ZZ HOG (2340 in chips)
Seat 2: bob29 (1230 in chips)
Seat 3: breakanddish (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: skipbro (1000 in chips)
Seat 5: chewbucka (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: tureti (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Medusa HD (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (1530 in chips)
Seat 9: wfergie (1500 in chips)
skipbro: posts small blind 10
chewbucka: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qd Qh]
tureti: folds
Medusa HD: calls 20
Hero : raises 80 to 100
wfergie: folds
ZZ HOG: folds
bob29: calls 100
breakanddish: raises 80 to 180
skipbro: folds
chewbucka: folds
Medusa HD: folds
Hero : raises 1350 to 1530 and is all-in
Maybe reraise him to see what he does. Although, it's very hard for me to fold QQ no matter what stage.
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Old 04-03-2007, 05:11 AM #12 (permalink)  

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I don't think you did anything wrong here, I prefer not to play for all the chips early on with AK or even AKs. I play AK like I play my middle pocket pairs (7's-10's) limp with them from early and middle position and raise 9's-10's from late position, fold to re raise all in. Limping seems to save me a lot of trouble with AK and AQ. I can see the flop cheaply and there's no need to continuation bet if I miss, plus it conceals the strength of my hand. I play this way until I have around 10-12x BB at which point I am ready to play for all the chips. If raised to me I will normally re-raise all in with big slick. If in position, I will push all in pre-flop to steal so my opponents will call later when I have big pocket pair The down side to this is sometimes you can get outdraw by hands like small pairs and give your opponents a chance to make a big hand and you are drawing dead. I think for me the lesson to be learned is not to get married to AK, its a great hand when it improves but almost a rag when it misses the flop. TJ Cloutier says to play AK like you would play a pair of 10's. Just my $.02 worth.
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Old 04-03-2007, 05:49 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 ^^ villains play, based partially off observation, and partially off timing screamed TT-JJ. Then I looked at the stats and got cold feet. If villains range is TT-KK I have odds, or if it's TT-AA, AQ+.

I know I'm again calling not pushing but I like this thread and it's still an all-in situation

I call the raise because I think I can take the pot post-flop from ISOP. Anosmics calling range is fairly (too?) tight. I was surprised he called.

Every gauntlett GMML and me are at the same table. He always acts like I'm making a move but gives my pushes respect. We've been talking shit and he's about to push any decent hand. I actually expected him to push this pre-flop and was waiting to call. If I limp/call I'm ahead of his range. If I push and he calls I'm way behind his range. I'm not sure how the eV for either works out.

PokerStars Game #9200709210: Tournament #42024191, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/04/01 - 15:39:00 (ET)
Table '42024191 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: DCMirage (1805 in chips)
Seat 2: swiggidy (625 in chips)
Seat 3: Anosmic (2339 in chips)
Seat 4: pokerdwarf (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: givememyleg (583 in chips)
Seat 7: rocker52 (2025 in chips)
Seat 8: cripppp (2170 in chips)
Seat 9: Isopbc (1083 in chips)
pokerdwarf: posts small blind 25
givememyleg: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to swiggidy [As 5s]
rocker52: folds
cripppp: folds
Isopbc: calls 50
DCMirage: folds
swiggidy: calls 50
Anosmic: calls 50
pokerdwarf: folds
givememyleg: raises 532 to 582
Isopbc: folds
swiggidy: calls 532

Comedy
givememyleg said, "i hate this"
givememyleg said, "i dont want swigg to have my chips"
swiggidy said, "pot odds" <-- because GMML has 1 chip left
givememyleg said, "I BETTE RWIN THI SHAND HG&EYGHT*&G$EG"
givememyleg said, "I GOT NOTHING"
givememyleg said, "I HATE SWIGGIDY"

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swiggidy: mucks hand
givememyleg said, "PWN" <--LOL
givememyleg collected 1289 from pot
swiggidy said, "crap"
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Old 04-03-2007, 08:39 AM #14 (permalink)  
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i like the idea of this thread. One stop shop for pushing situations. Maybe another thread for calling shoves?
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Old 04-03-2007, 08:45 AM #15 (permalink)  
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i like the idea of this thread. One stop shop for pushing situations. Maybe another thread for calling shoves?
...and where was that strategy post that you were going to write on calling shoves
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