ATs, UTG and button limp, shove? ($27)

**taipan168** · 02-24-2008 09:39 AM

UTG's stats were something like 25/13, Button's 15/3. Shove this to try to pick up 700 dead chips?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 no antes (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 (t1117)
CO (t2425)
Button (t1310)
Hero (t2215)
BB (t2675)
UTG (t2285)
MP1 (t1473)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, T

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UTG calls t200, 3 folds, Button calls t200, Hero raises to t2215

**bjsaust** · 02-24-2008 10:57 AM

I would.

**mukaka** · 02-24-2008 11:00 AM

Me too.. I wouldn't do it at my level ($11) but I believe at higher buy-ins these kind of moves are more necessary and more do-able

**fjuanl** · 02-24-2008 06:25 PM

I don't like it so much, mainly because of buttons limp. 15/3 implies that they could easily have AJ/AQ or a mid pocket pair that wont fold to a shove. I just don't think you have much fold equity and ATs doesn't do great from what buttons stats indicate. There is also the chance that UTG limped with a monster

**GatorJH** · 02-24-2008 10:01 PM

I too prefer a call here and play the flop accordingly. Stacks are fairly evenly distributed so I don't think you need to get too ancy here.

**bjsaust** · 02-24-2008 10:17 PM

15/3 limps a bit wider on the button behind another limper wont he? I think we have decent FE here, we're looking at an 11 BB shove with 700 in the pot, so about 3xpot.

I wouldnt call here, if I dont want to play I fold. What flops are you looking for if you think you're better off calling than pushing?

**GatorJH** · 02-25-2008 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by bjsaust

15/3 limps a bit wider on the button behind another limper wont he? I think we have decent FE here, we're looking at an 11 BB shove with 700 in the pot, so about 3xpot.

I wouldnt call here, if I dont want to play I fold. What flops are you looking for if you think you're better off calling than pushing?

If I called here I would open push any Ace, Ten, 2 club board and maybe a low raggedy board (kind of like a stop-n-go).

With that said I also don't think a semi squeeze play shove is a bad move either if you think both villians will fold unless they have really big hands.

**Sykedupp** · 02-25-2008 05:53 PM

I need a read that UTG limps junk to shove.

02-24-2008 09:39 AM #1
taipan168 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 10,571 Location Sydney	ATs, UTG and button limp, shove? ($27) UTG's stats were something like 25/13, Button's 15/3. Shove this to try to pick up 700 dead chips? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 no antes (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver) MP2 (t1117) CO (t2425) Button (t1310) Hero (t2215) BB (t2675) UTG (t2285) MP1 (t1473) Preflop: Hero is SB with A, T. UTG calls t200, 3 folds, Button calls t200, Hero raises to t2215

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02-24-2008 10:57 AM #2
bjsaust View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2007 Posts 6,282 Location Ballarat, Australia	I would.
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02-24-2008 11:00 AM #3
mukaka View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 728 Location screw sngs	Me too.. I wouldn't do it at my level ($11) but I believe at higher buy-ins these kind of moves are more necessary and more do-able

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02-24-2008 06:25 PM #4
fjuanl View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 2,650	I don't like it so much, mainly because of buttons limp. 15/3 implies that they could easily have AJ/AQ or a mid pocket pair that wont fold to a shove. I just don't think you have much fold equity and ATs doesn't do great from what buttons stats indicate. There is also the chance that UTG limped with a monster

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02-24-2008 10:01 PM #5
GatorJH View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 5,911 Location HotLanta	I too prefer a call here and play the flop accordingly. Stacks are fairly evenly distributed so I don't think you need to get too ancy here.
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02-24-2008 10:17 PM #6
bjsaust View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2007 Posts 6,282 Location Ballarat, Australia	15/3 limps a bit wider on the button behind another limper wont he? I think we have decent FE here, we're looking at an 11 BB shove with 700 in the pot, so about 3xpot. I wouldnt call here, if I dont want to play I fold. What flops are you looking for if you think you're better off calling than pushing?
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02-25-2008 02:24 PM #7
GatorJH View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 5,911 Location HotLanta	Originally Posted by bjsaust 15/3 limps a bit wider on the button behind another limper wont he? I think we have decent FE here, we're looking at an 11 BB shove with 700 in the pot, so about 3xpot. I wouldnt call here, if I dont want to play I fold. What flops are you looking for if you think you're better off calling than pushing? If I called here I would open push any Ace, Ten, 2 club board and maybe a low raggedy board (kind of like a stop-n-go). With that said I also don't think a semi squeeze play shove is a bad move either if you think both villians will fold unless they have really big hands.
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02-25-2008 05:53 PM #8
Sykedupp View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 1,080 Location Vancouver, BC, Canada	I need a read that UTG limps junk to shove.
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