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sinister1
Old 09-30-2009, 09:25 PM     Post subject: AKo and AQo deep in mtt #1 (permalink)  
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No read on utg he just moved to the table. Other villain is also new to the table, saw him defend bvb w/K9s and played ok post flop.

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UTG+1 (t130400)
MP1 (t50236)
MP2 (t190062)
CO (t85195)
Button (t140870)
SB (t138706)
Hero (BB) (t101055)
UTG (t105341)

Hero's M: 10.11

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
UTG bets t10975, 5 folds, SB raises to t40925, Hero??

This villain has been pretty tagg so far, but he has only been at the table for ~3 orbits. Is raise/folding this spot terrible? Is 4bet shoving worse?

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Button (t150400)
SB (t44236)
BB (t188062)
UTG (t83195)
UTG+1 (t117870)
MP1 (t178681)
Hero (MP2) (t93055)
CO (t86366)

Hero's M: 9.31

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, A
3 folds, Hero bets t9999, CO raises to t28000, Hero??
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revolvingiris
Old 10-01-2009, 01:23 AM #2 (permalink)  
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H1: I would fold

H2: I would probably fold this as well. If villain does this with AJ then you can probably shove over. Usually in my experience if someone leads out for a 1/3rd of their chip stack they have it...Unless a total spewmonkey.
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:27 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 doubt i'm folding either.
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:28 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Both of these are close, I doubt it would make that big a difference to your ROI either way. Based on the bet sizing I'd probably shove the first one and fold the second one. Most weak low-limit players would make that huge raise to 40K with hands that are afraid of getting called like AK, AQ, JJ and TT but raise smaller with the nuts. For the same reaosn I feel like the guy in the AQ hand is at the top of his range. It's a $5 tournament though and you sometimes see people seem to play all right for a few orbits then randomly 3-bet QJ and call a shove which makes it hard to fold AQ preflop to any action against such bad players.
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Old 10-01-2009, 12:35 PM #5 (permalink)  
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i think Im folding the first and shoving the second. UTG bet out for 2.5BB then got re raised almost 4 times his stack. I reckon at least one of these two has a decent pair so i think you are behind and possibly a long way behind.

The second although we might still be behind some hands we beat would fold to an all in. 88 99 TT JJ maybe even QQ AK if he is really tight and playing deep for the first time.
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