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  1. #1

    Default Ad 8d in BTN

    I don't have some really good information about the players.


    Blind t100/t200

    CO: (t5830)
    Hero(BTN): (t6020)
    SB: (t8070)
    BB: (t7340)
    UTG: (t3430)
    MP: (t5260)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Ad 8d

    UTG folds, MP raise to t600, CO calls t600, Hero call t600, 2 folds

    Flop: Jd 6c 6d (3 players)

    MP bets t950, CO calls t950, Hero call t950

    Turn: Td (3players)

    MP bets t3710 and is all-in, CO raises to 4280 and is all-in, Hero ???
  2. #2
    Personally I'd just fold this preflop, even from the button, but maybe I'm too tight. If we had 75BB starting stacks I'd think about calling.

    I guess the call on the flop is OK. Even though your express odds of more than 4:1 on the call aren't quite good enough given that you're about 7.25 to 1 against to hit another diamond on the turn, if you add in some implied odds from the other two players I can get there.

    On the turn, what are you waiting for? You hit your hand and you're getting great odds. There are plenty of hands that you beat that would play like this (QQ+, AJ/KJ/QJ, A6, lower flush draws, etc). If you're not prepared to call here then I would have folded preflop and on the flop.
  3. #3
    Pre is meh, I can go either way. Fold or raise flop imo, calling draws on paired board is asking for trouble. I'd raise personally, we can expect to see all missed Ax hands fold, and most pocket pairs, which is a sizeable chunk of an opening and pf calling range. Flush draws might tag along too if players are sufficiently bad.

    Turn is call, we beat everything but boats and we're getting great pot odds. They're gonna show up with flushes and overpairs too. And yeah if you're not prepared to call off a flush on turn then that means your flop call is terrible.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  4. #4
    Villains are taking this line with any overpairs, JT, strong Jacks, any flush, any 6 and I also wouldn't be surprised to see people do this with Kdx or more likely KdJx/Tx. Also wouldn't be amazed to see people show up with hands as bad as AK.

    JJ and TT are a very small amount of combos that beat you, T6 and J6 are also going to show up every now and then if this is micro stakes but it's still unlikely.

    I think you played the hand find if you clicked call tbh.
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Fold or raise flop imo, calling draws on paired board is asking for trouble. I'd raise personally, we can expect to see all missed Ax hands fold, and most pocket pairs, which is a sizeable chunk of an opening and pf calling range. Flush draws might tag along too if players are sufficiently bad.
    Given the size of the pot when it gets to us on the flop and our remaining stack, if we want to raise then we basically have to shove. Are we prepared to shove here? (not debating it, just asking the question!)
  6. #6
    I hadn't really looked at the stacks tbh, but yeah I can either shove flop or just raise to like 2250 and then snap a shove. Raising to 2250 leaves around 15bb, so we're able to get away from a bad turn if villain puts us in, but if we're called then more likely villain checks to us, giving us a free river. I don't like calling flush draws on paired flops, we're not taking advantage of the fact the flop misses villains' ranges more often. We have more fold equity than on a JT6 flop for example, so I want to exploit that. Worst case scenario is we're already dead, but that's really unlikely and we're more likely to get folds or have plenty of outs to recover.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  7. #7
    Paired boards aren't all the same, I'm not too worried about people connecting with a J66 board.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    Paired boards aren't all the same, I'm not too worried about people connecting with a J66 board.
    Yeah I realise this, I should be more specific I guess. Most paired boards are either disconnected or not ideal for a raised pot, like 445 or whatever. I'd be a lot more careful on JTT for example.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  9. #9
    probably fold pre
    bomb flop/fist pump
    call turn
  10. #10
    Thank you for your suggestions.
    The rest of the hand was:
    I made a call, MP showed Kd 9d; CO showed 7h 6h, and then on the river it was dealt another T, and I lose.
    I couldn't fold with these cards, even that I have a sense that somebody of the opponents maybe have full. However that things happen, and reading your comments I hope that I've made the correct move here.
    Thanks
  11. #11
    Preflop: I dont really like calling in this spot, it gives the blinds great odds to come along and you dont really know where you stand if A or 8 hi flops and someone bets. I would prefer raise or fold, but I dont think the call is terrible

    Flop: I would raise flop, this is a flop most hands did not connect with, so you are very likely to pick up a very nice pot, if you are called unless villian has a 6, JJ or AJ you have at least 50% to win the hand

    Turn: Easy call as played


  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by STILL_mkd View Post
    Thank you for your suggestions.
    The rest of the hand was:
    I made a call, MP showed Kd 9d; CO showed 7h 6h, and then on the river it was dealt another T, and I lose.
    I couldn't fold with these cards, even that I have a sense that somebody of the opponents maybe have full. However that things happen, and reading your comments I hope that I've made the correct move here.
    Thanks
    Call with a big smile on your face, as we all said! You just got unlucky on the river.

    Board: J66 T
    Equity Win Tie
    UTG 73.81% 73.81% 0.00% { Ad8d }
    UTG+1 2.38% 2.38% 0.00% { Kd9d }
    UTG+2 23.81% 23.81% 0.00% { 7h6h }

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