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5$/45-man FT bubble - in BB vs SB
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Penneywize
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03-16-2010, 05:15 AM
Post subject: 5$/45-man FT bubble - in BB vs SB
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Full House
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Alright, so I feel I have a pretty decent read on SB; over 81 hands he is 34/11; over the past 6 or 7 orbits he has attempted to steal 5 times; I have called once, which went to SD and villain showed Q8o; and I 3-bet once to which villain folded. In other hands, villain has raised UTG with KTo (back when we were 8-handed) and reraised all-in on a flop with second pair, eventually sucking out on the river. So, with all this in mind, I decide to play back here, despite stack sizes not being very conducive to a 3-bet play...
1) Bad spot to 3-bet given stack sizes, history, etc...?
2) Priced in to call?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 5.5 Tournament, 150/300 Blinds (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button (t6200)
SB (t5285)
Hero (BB) (t7952)
UTG (t6556)
MP (t2370)
Hero's M: 17.67
Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 , K
3 folds, SB bets t900, Hero raises to t2550, SB raises to t5285 (All-In), Hero to call t2735?
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Im_new
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If you insist on playing this weak hand vs a LAGGY call station (which I do not suggest) I'd call his raise and play him in position...3betting is whack because none of his range folds. Whenever he shoves over like this, you're beaten.
I play too many damn tables to bother with these kind of hands which is probably slightly -EV, but meh... I'd fold it/wait for something sort of pair or big connectors.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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BB = 1 bet
raise = 2 bet (no one uses this which is where the confusion starts)
raise a raise = 3 bet
a raise after that = 4 bet
Action in this hand = SB 2 bets, Hero 3 bets, SB 4 bets.
I would just ship over to start, as played call, if you ever fold getting 3/1 pre you've made a huge mistake at some point.
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Im_new
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
I would just ship over to start, as played call, if you ever fold getting 3/1 pre you've made a huge mistake at some point.
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What is your shipping range here, doc? I assume you aren't shipping monsters, are you?
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Penneywize
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
BB = 1 bet
raise = 2 bet (no one uses this which is where the confusion starts)
raise a raise = 3 bet
a raise after that = 4 bet
Action in this hand = SB 2 bets, Hero 3 bets, SB 4 bets.
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GAH!
Man I must've been tired or tilty or something but I swear I knew that and it irks the shit out of me when other people fuck up their terminology, oh well. Gonna edit OP, thanks for calling attention to this obv fail drmc
Oh yeah, your hand commentary is pretty ok too 
EDIT: At work, thanks for replies, will address more thoroughly later
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Im_new
What is your shipping range here, doc? I assume you aren't shipping monsters, are you?
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Depends what I think of the guy, to a decent player a non shove 3 bet looks stronger I think so I'd probably just ship or flat whatever I am playing. I would take some flops but not with K9o, just doesn't play well. I'd ship most pairs, most Ax, BWs esp off suit. Take some flops with big pairs and BW/scs. Maybe even AQ/AK but I would be planning on shipping over cBets on almost all boards if I slow play something that big.
You have to play > 1/3 your hands here or he shows a profit raising ATC even if he never wins a dime from there (and he shall win some dimes!). If you are playing so many tables you're not shoving here it's time to cut back, K9 is top 20 % and you're giving up too much to aware BU/SBs.
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Im_new
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
Depends what I think of the guy, to a decent player a non shove 3 bet looks stronger I think so I'd probably just ship or flat whatever I am playing. I would take some flops but not with K9o, just doesn't play well. I'd ship most pairs, most Ax, BWs esp off suit. Take some flops with big pairs and BW/scs. Maybe even AQ/AK but I would be planning on shipping over cBets on almost all boards if I slow play something that big.
You have to play > 1/3 your hands here or he shows a profit raising ATC even if he never wins a dime from there (and he shall win some dimes!). If you are playing so many tables you're not shoving here it's time to cut back, K9 is top 20 % and you're giving up too much to aware BU/SBs.
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agreed, I should def cut back on my tables, but i want platinum! lol (jk)
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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wow, gl, what is your plan (stakes/volume)? I went insane trying to play enough donkaments to get platinum on my way to 1st SN, but that was back when it was 10k VPPs per. And there were no pee breaks then, that really hurt my play time, my bladder/liquid consumption is -EV.
In a global sense it's interesting. I do think folding here is bad but getting a ton of volume in really helped me get a lot better, esp at making lay downs and moving on from beats. So maybe long run you're better off with more tables, at least for a while. Getting back to the hand, 18 months ago I doubt I would have shoved here but now that I've played all those hands...
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Im_new
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
wow, gl, what is your plan (stakes/volume)? I went insane trying to play enough donkaments to get platinum on my way to 1st SN, but that was back when it was 10k VPPs per. And there were no pee breaks then, that really hurt my play time, my bladder/liquid consumption is -EV.
In a global sense it's interesting. I do think folding here is bad but getting a ton of volume in really helped me get a lot better, esp at making lay downs and moving on from beats. So maybe long run you're better off with more tables, at least for a while. Getting back to the hand, 18 months ago I doubt I would have shoved here but now that I've played all those hands...
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