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Old 03-30-2008, 01:46 PM     Post subject: $11 - pocket fives weird stack size #1 (permalink)  
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Didn't know what to do with this due to my stack size.. Higher I would std raise, lower I would push..

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Old 03-30-2008, 02:10 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Urgh. I think I push all-in. I don't like limping because unless we hit a set we're playing blind. Raise of 3-4BB seems ok, but if re-raised I'm all in.
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Old 03-30-2008, 04:28 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Im a) folding this, 55 is not an ideal hand to push with or b) set farming....limp in and if you hit get your stack in, if you miss check/fold flop..I really dont think a push is a goood play here considering you only get 120 chips if nobody calls and if they do call your a 50/50 at best....
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Old 03-30-2008, 08:00 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I'm guessing if you plug this into SNGWiz it would say to push
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Old 03-30-2008, 10:27 PM #5 (permalink)  
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It should say to fold I think. Be interested to find out. I need something like 88+ to push here.
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Old 03-30-2008, 10:36 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I'm folding here.


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Old 03-30-2008, 10:40 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I need something like 88+ to push here.
Yeah, I agree with this. Sometimes I may even push with 77 but I would fold 55.
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Old 03-31-2008, 09:11 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I think its a shove if blinds are 50/100 or more but now its a fold.
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:53 AM #9 (permalink)  
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still have an M of less than 10.. But you're flipping against most callers..
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:09 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Hmm, I decided to run this through SNGPT and its more interesting than I thought.

This seems to be a real turning point for pushing ranges. Here are my default calling ranges (from really tight to really loose) and the ranges we'd push. This assumes both call equal ranges:

66+,AT+ - 33+,AKs,AQs,AJs,ATs,ATo+,A9s,A8s,A7s,A5s,KJo+,K9s+ ,QJo,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s

44+,A7+,KJ+ - 66+,ATo+,A9s+

22+,A2+,KT+,QJ - 55+,ATo+,A8s+

22+,A2+,K9+,KJo+,QT+,JT - 66+,A9o+,A8s+


Hard to say what range they'd call with here. A 12.5xBB push will normally be called fairly tightly, but then in this case its no more than 1/3 of the stack of either opp, so they may feel like gambling.

I suspect this is close enough that I probably fold, but my initial pushing range was a fair way off apparantly.
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:36 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I am pushing it


 
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Old 04-03-2008, 05:01 AM #12 (permalink)  
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I push as well. A standard raise isn't horrible though, especially if opponents have a tendency to call and then check/fold flops. Or if they have shown they will call pushes with a wide range preflop.

Limping for set value is ridiculous. In fact, calling for set value after the first two levels is rarely correct in SNG play. The stacks are just too shallow for it.
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