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**andyjok** · 06-05-2012 10:05 PM

My standard play in these situations is to just shove but would making a standard raise or even folding be a better option.

No Limit Holdem Tournament
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9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG p.v.n. (2,540) 25bb
UTG+1 mickcau (1,150) 12bb
MP1 Patrik_Ger (1,730) 17bb
MP2 burkey966 (1,510) 15bb
MP3 HVORFORIKKE (2,460) 25bb
CO bommel7687 (1,850) 19bb
BTN andyjok (4,880) 49bb
SB sonne797 (1,940) 19bb
BB themutts75 (1,940) 19bb

Blinds: 50/100

Pre-Flop: (150, 9 players) andyjok is BTN

1 fold, mickcau calls 100, Patrik_Ger calls 100, 3 folds, andyjok ?

**Luco** · 06-06-2012 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by andyjok

My standard play in these situations is to just shove...

Mine too. Not sure if a smaller raise is more optimal though. Never folding here.

**donkbee** · 06-07-2012 02:14 AM

Folding is bad. Raise to ~400 then call some people's jams and fold to some people's jams (depending on your reads).

**fulksy** · 06-07-2012 08:03 PM

Generally I just shove here as well, they have pretty awkward SS If 12 bb is calling 400 he'll probably call a shove, And if 17 bb calls the pot will 1050 and he'll have a around 1300 I think you'll see him shove a lot of flops. But it's close for me.

**andyjok** · 06-07-2012 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by donkbee

Folding is bad. Raise to ~400 then call some people's jams and fold to some people's jams (depending on your reads).

Rarely at this level do i see ppl limp shove but they do frequently limp call raises.

**donkbee** · 06-07-2012 11:10 PM

FWIW, I am not just thinking about jams from the people that limped.

We definitely want limp/calls in this spot. Super profitable spot for us.

**Fnord** · 06-11-2012 08:09 AM

Why is raising here better than shoving?

**drmcboy** · 06-11-2012 05:50 PM

I make it 7bb to set up flop shove

**donkbee** · 06-11-2012 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Fnord

Why is raising here better than shoving?

One reason I like raising rather than shoving is that I give myself the chance to fold if someone makes it obvious I'm crushed. If one of the blinds jams over my raise, then I'm folding unless I have a read.

I also like raising because SnG players are terrible post flop and I want value from my hand. The 2nd limper has a decent stack but his limping range is likely weak and a jam is just gonna blow him out of the pot. Getting him to call with his bad hand OOP seems good to me.

**Poker Orifice** · 06-12-2012 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by drmcboy

I make it 7bb to set up flop shove

Was gonna say this ^ but 5.5bb's instead (same diff.)

06-05-2012 10:05 PM #1
andyjok View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2008 Posts 47	$6 stt aqo My standard play in these situations is to just shove but would making a standard raise or even folding be a better option. No Limit Holdem Tournament PartyPoker 9 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG p.v.n. (2,540) 25bb UTG+1 mickcau (1,150) 12bb MP1 Patrik_Ger (1,730) 17bb MP2 burkey966 (1,510) 15bb MP3 HVORFORIKKE (2,460) 25bb CO bommel7687 (1,850) 19bb BTN andyjok (4,880) 49bb SB sonne797 (1,940) 19bb BB themutts75 (1,940) 19bb Blinds: 50/100 Pre-Flop: (150, 9 players) andyjok is BTN 1 fold, mickcau calls 100, Patrik_Ger calls 100, 3 folds, andyjok ?

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06-06-2012 10:16 PM #2
Luco View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Still a fish Join Date Mar 2009 Posts 2,301	Originally Posted by andyjok My standard play in these situations is to just shove... Mine too. Not sure if a smaller raise is more optimal though. Never folding here.
	Originally Posted by spoonitnow Worse doesn't call, better doesn't fold, blah blah same shit different day.
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06-07-2012 02:14 AM #3
donkbee View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message SERIOUSLY WTF Join Date May 2005 Posts 6,259 Location outer space	Folding is bad. Raise to ~400 then call some people's jams and fold to some people's jams (depending on your reads).
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06-07-2012 08:03 PM #4
fulksy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2008 Posts 1,412 Location Edmonton,Canada	Generally I just shove here as well, they have pretty awkward SS If 12 bb is calling 400 he'll probably call a shove, And if 17 bb calls the pot will 1050 and he'll have a around 1300 I think you'll see him shove a lot of flops. But it's close for me.
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06-07-2012 11:06 PM #5
andyjok View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2008 Posts 47	Originally Posted by donkbee Folding is bad. Raise to ~400 then call some people's jams and fold to some people's jams (depending on your reads). Rarely at this level do i see ppl limp shove but they do frequently limp call raises.

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06-07-2012 11:10 PM #6
donkbee View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message SERIOUSLY WTF Join Date May 2005 Posts 6,259 Location outer space	FWIW, I am not just thinking about jams from the people that limped. We definitely want limp/calls in this spot. Super profitable spot for us.
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06-11-2012 08:49 PM #9
donkbee View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message SERIOUSLY WTF Join Date May 2005 Posts 6,259 Location outer space	Originally Posted by Fnord Why is raising here better than shoving? One reason I like raising rather than shoving is that I give myself the chance to fold if someone makes it obvious I'm crushed. If one of the blinds jams over my raise, then I'm folding unless I have a read. I also like raising because SnG players are terrible post flop and I want value from my hand. The 2nd limper has a decent stack but his limping range is likely weak and a jam is just gonna blow him out of the pot. Getting him to call with his bad hand OOP seems good to me.
	Originally Posted by Fnord Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet. blog: http://donkeybrainspoker.com/
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06-12-2012 01:18 AM #10
Poker Orifice View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2008 Posts 572 Location B.C. Canada	Originally Posted by drmcboy I make it 7bb to set up flop shove Was gonna say this ^ but 5.5bb's instead (same diff.)
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