$3.4 - 88 bubble

**mattiesmat** · 08-26-2007 08:56 PM

I had 88 in the BB at the bubble and the button had raised.
The button was a very loose player.
88 is a good hand and goes up in value against a loose player, but I did not knew how to play it.
I thought just calling was kind of weak, because I was OOP and a flop would almost always contain overcards to my 8's.
On the other hand I thought 88 was a bit marginal to push over, especially because I had a decent stack and he had me covered.
How would you play this hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) by Hand Converter CG

Hero (t4252)
UTG (t3778)
Button (t4796)
SB (t2174)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8h, 8c.
1 fold, Button raises to t625, 1 fold, hero ??

**badgers** · 08-26-2007 09:26 PM

Without reads this is horrible. I lean towards a shove vs. the majority of players, but you would have to fold if you thought you have no FE (ie. Villain is tight and anything he's raising, he aint folding.)

**Zee Devee** · 08-26-2007 09:29 PM

Ooo thats tough given he is the other bigstack.

The thing is you are the other bigstack and he doesn't want to mess too much with you just as you don't want to tangle with him.

Said that I like raising here to about 1400-1600. With that you still have a decent stack size (seeing as how you will still be able to push and take a lot of pots because you are not timy stached), and it will give you more info about what opp has as well as telling him he can't steal your blinds without a huge hand.

**mattiesmat** · 08-26-2007 09:53 PM

Sorry I forget the info of the hand. I edited my main post now.

**taipan168** · 08-27-2007 06:42 AM

This is a tough spot and needs some ICM analysis. That said, my gut reaction from the reads you have provided is to shove over.

If you would like me to do the ICM analysis, let me know what hands you think opp would raise and what hands you think he would call a push with. If this guy has been loose/passive, limping into every pot without raising much then I'm getting pretty worried about what he has. If he has been loose/aggressive then I'm happily shoving over.

Needless to say, if opp can't fold hands like QTo or T9s then taking even the right end of the flip is a total disaster.

08-26-2007 08:56 PM #1
mattiesmat View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 722	$3.4 - 88 bubble I had 88 in the BB at the bubble and the button had raised. The button was a very loose player. 88 is a good hand and goes up in value against a loose player, but I did not knew how to play it. I thought just calling was kind of weak, because I was OOP and a flop would almost always contain overcards to my 8's. On the other hand I thought 88 was a bit marginal to push over, especially because I had a decent stack and he had me covered. How would you play this hand? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) by Hand Converter CG Hero (t4252) UTG (t3778) Button (t4796) SB (t2174) Preflop: Hero is BB with 8h, 8c. 1 fold, Button raises to t625, 1 fold, hero ??

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08-26-2007 09:26 PM #2
badgers View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2007 Posts 4,413 Location Spewing	Re: $3.4 - 88 bubble Without reads this is horrible. I lean towards a shove vs. the majority of players, but you would have to fold if you thought you have no FE (ie. Villain is tight and anything he's raising, he aint folding.)

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08-26-2007 09:29 PM #3
Zee Devee View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2006 Posts 900 Location Wisconsin	Ooo thats tough given he is the other bigstack. The thing is you are the other bigstack and he doesn't want to mess too much with you just as you don't want to tangle with him. Said that I like raising here to about 1400-1600. With that you still have a decent stack size (seeing as how you will still be able to push and take a lot of pots because you are not timy stached), and it will give you more info about what opp has as well as telling him he can't steal your blinds without a huge hand.

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08-26-2007 09:53 PM #4
mattiesmat View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 722	Sorry I forget the info of the hand. I edited my main post now.
	I am just another learning player, so read my comments (very) open minded.
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08-27-2007 06:42 AM #5
taipan168 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 10,571 Location Sydney	This is a tough spot and needs some ICM analysis. That said, my gut reaction from the reads you have provided is to shove over. If you would like me to do the ICM analysis, let me know what hands you think opp would raise and what hands you think he would call a push with. If this guy has been loose/passive, limping into every pot without raising much then I'm getting pretty worried about what he has. If he has been loose/aggressive then I'm happily shoving over. Needless to say, if opp can't fold hands like QTo or T9s then taking even the right end of the flip is a total disaster.

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