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Old 03-31-2006, 08:31 AM     Post subject: $27 62s :) #1 (permalink)  
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Gotta love minraise pot odds. I'd had some grief about this whole hand with someone, but I absolutely love every street, lol.

Pre-flop: 20 into 150 makes a call
Flop: It is early and I have no reads, I don't wanna commit too many chips with 62s early and try and muscle this pot out with a huge semi-bluff, but I do wanna get some free cards. Check/min-raise does this as effectively cheap as possible I say.
Turn: Hit my flush, but it's low so I bet it out.
River: Don't quite fear a boat here, but Kings just made kings up and jacks just made trips so an AI overbet here works.

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Button (t1490)
SB (t1420)
daluchy (t1500)
UTG (t1610)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1480)
MP3 (t1500)

Preflop: daluchy is BB with 6, 2.
2 folds, MP1 raises to t40, MP2 calls t40, 1 fold, CO calls t40, 2 folds, daluchy calls t20.

Flop: (t170) J, K, 6 (4 players)
daluchy checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets t60, CO folds, daluchy raises to t120, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t60.

Turn: (t410) 7 (2 players)
daluchy bets t250, MP2 calls t250.

River: (t910) J (2 players)
daluchy bets t1090 (All-In), MP2 calls t1070 (All-In).

Final Pot: t3070
pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
1. overvaluing mid pocket pairs
2. knowing you should fold, but donkishly calling or raising anyway
 
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Old 03-31-2006, 02:30 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 03-31-2006, 02:40 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Did you want him to fold to your bet on the turn or were you just giving him incorrect odds to chase a hand?

With how he played this I could see him turing over Ad Jx
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Old 03-31-2006, 02:45 PM     Post subject: Re: $27 62s :) #4 (permalink)  
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Gotta love minraise pot odds.
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MP2 bets t60, CO folds, daluchy raises to t120

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Old 03-31-2006, 02:56 PM #5 (permalink)  
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The free card play works better with position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
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Old 03-31-2006, 02:57 PM     Post subject: Re: $27 62s :) #6 (permalink)  
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Gotta love minraise pot odds.
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MP2 bets t60, CO folds, daluchy raises to t120

I guess he likes to give what he receives.
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Old 03-31-2006, 05:30 PM #7 (permalink)  
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The free card play works better with position.
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Old 03-31-2006, 05:58 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I'm the one chasing, he's the one ahead (most likely). I don't care if he get odds for whatever from my minraise, I'm trying to hit a hand as cheaply as possible.
pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
1. overvaluing mid pocket pairs
2. knowing you should fold, but donkishly calling or raising anyway
 
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Did you want him to fold to your bet on the turn or were you just giving him incorrect odds to chase a hand?

With how he played this I could see him turing over Ad Jx
Little of both, probably more bad odds. Only thing that kills me probably is another diamond so I'm ok if that drops on the river if he calls that bet.

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The free card play works better with position.
Yeah, so I went with a check/minraise to kinda make up for that. It's a weird play to make him uncomfy. A bigger raise could work here too, (I'd definately do that in position), but I wanted the wtf is he doing? effect to help out my bad position, lol...if that makes sense...
pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
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Old 03-31-2006, 07:02 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I went with a check/minraise. It's a weird play to make him uncomfy. A bigger raise could work here too, (I'd definately do that in position), but I wanted the wtf is he doing? effect to help out my bad position, lol...if that makes sense...
Doesn't make much sense. This is a changeup you use to balance with made flops against thinking players. Making a habit of it is -EV.
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:02 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Yeah, exactly. Thank you.

When I go play a $27 I figure almost everyone is a thinking player so I devise crap up like this when I can to give myself an edge.

But yeah all the time at any buy-in, this isn't good. This is a donktastic play at lower levels I'm sure, hehe.
pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
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Old 03-31-2006, 09:21 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Yeah, exactly. Thank you.

When I go play a $27 I figure almost everyone is a thinking player so I devise crap up like this when I can to give myself an edge.

But yeah all the time at any buy-in, this isn't good. This is a donktastic play at lower levels I'm sure, hehe.
So, you can do these kinda at the 27's? But dont attempt this at the 5's? Why do you confuse people like me? lol .
 
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Old 03-31-2006, 11:14 PM #13 (permalink)  
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POTD

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Old 04-01-2006, 12:05 AM #14 (permalink)  
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If you're used to playing something like the 11's, the players at the 27s can seem pretty damn good.

Edit: They still won't all be "thinking players," but there will be a smaller concentration of total idiots ( the kind that call your PFR with J2 because it was sooted).
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Old 04-01-2006, 12:26 AM #15 (permalink)  
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 recognize that 27s are WELL within range of people who put 300-500 on every couple months, up down go bust, deposit again, repeat.

No one who is any good stays below 50 for.... I'll say 6 months - unless they don't want to move up. and most people want to move up. mutlitablers are excluded here too, but they aren't doing a whole lot of thinking either.
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