$16 - JJ as overpair vs aggressor

**mattiesmat** · 02-10-2008 11:56 AM

How is the flop bet?
Fold or get it it now?
No real reads, besides that he had not played a hand the first 4 hands.

Poker Stars $15 $1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t1445
SB: t1330
Hero (BB): t1530
UTG: t1740
UTG+1: t1580
MP1: t1835
MP2: t2620
CO: t1420

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with J

J

2 folds, MP1 raises to t120, 4 folds, Hero calls t90

Flop: (t255) 8

4

6

(2 players)
Hero bets t175, MP1 raises to t480, Hero ??

**losttrem** · 02-10-2008 02:25 PM

Looks scary. But to be honest, I am willing to go broke here and fire up a new one. villains range here can be very wide. I have seen people going broke with something as bad as 55 in this spot. If villain was tight I might get away here, but without a read I go broke.

**taipan168** · 02-10-2008 07:41 PM

Flop bet is good, and now I am shoving over. If opp was a good regular I would lean towards C-R all-in rather than leading however.

**mukaka** · 02-10-2008 08:48 PM

Actually I would fold this one.. Why would you shove over tai?

**taipan168** · 02-10-2008 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by mukaka

Actually I would fold this one.. Why would you shove over tai?

Bet/fold is bad for a couple of reasons:
- Since opp was the preflop raiser, he could be trying to pick off your flop lead bet (I do this quite often if I have a read that opp donkbets the flop)
- Even if he is not bluffing, he could have hands that we are ahead of (A8, 99-TT, flush draw)

That said, I am not delighted about getting it in here but folding an overpair is too weak here IMO.

**bjsaust** · 02-10-2008 10:47 PM

If we're calling PF here, I think our plan is to be happy to get it in on an all under flop.

02-10-2008 11:56 AM #1
mattiesmat View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 722	$16 - JJ as overpair vs aggressor How is the flop bet? Fold or get it it now? No real reads, besides that he had not played a hand the first 4 hands. Poker Stars $15 $1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 8 players The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com BTN: t1445 SB: t1330 Hero (BB): t1530 UTG: t1740 UTG+1: t1580 MP1: t1835 MP2: t2620 CO: t1420 Pre Flop: Hero is BB with J J 2 folds, MP1 raises to t120, 4 folds, Hero calls t90 Flop: (t255) 8 4 6 (2 players) Hero bets t175, MP1 raises to t480, Hero ??
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02-10-2008 02:25 PM #2
losttrem View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2006 Posts 180	Looks scary. But to be honest, I am willing to go broke here and fire up a new one. villains range here can be very wide. I have seen people going broke with something as bad as 55 in this spot. If villain was tight I might get away here, but without a read I go broke.

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02-10-2008 07:41 PM #3
taipan168 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 10,571 Location Sydney	Flop bet is good, and now I am shoving over. If opp was a good regular I would lean towards C-R all-in rather than leading however.

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02-10-2008 08:48 PM #4
mukaka View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 728 Location screw sngs	Actually I would fold this one.. Why would you shove over tai?

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02-10-2008 08:57 PM #5
taipan168 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 10,571 Location Sydney	Originally Posted by mukaka Actually I would fold this one.. Why would you shove over tai? Bet/fold is bad for a couple of reasons: - Since opp was the preflop raiser, he could be trying to pick off your flop lead bet (I do this quite often if I have a read that opp donkbets the flop) - Even if he is not bluffing, he could have hands that we are ahead of (A8, 99-TT, flush draw) That said, I am not delighted about getting it in here but folding an overpair is too weak here IMO.

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02-10-2008 10:47 PM #6
bjsaust View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2007 Posts 6,282 Location Ballarat, Australia	If we're calling PF here, I think our plan is to be happy to get it in on an all under flop.
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