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| johnnyawe |
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There is this program called winholdem. Two features intrigued/alarmed me: 1) Auto-play "WH has the ability to play Hold'Em for you and in fact it probably plays Hold'Em better than you." 2) Card sharing: "One of the most exciting WH features is the ability to easily and conveniently share your cards with a fellow friend playing Hold'Em at the same online poker casino table." Any thoughts on the prevelance of software like this and whether it poses a threat to the integrity of the online game? Any thoughts on how well the autoplay feature would work? Do you think anybody uses these features? Do you think people could make a profit by using autoplay? Is there any way to determine if somebody is using autoplay and if so could you easily defeat it? |
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| Deadmoney |
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Wow... I don't know if/how well it would work, but that's just wrong IMO. I can understand cheats for video games and such, but people play online poker with their own hard-earned money, and putting anyone at an unfair disadvantage like that (if the program is as good as they say it is) is no better than walking up to them on the street and stealing their wallet. The people that wrote that program, and anyone who uses it to turn a profit, should be ashamed of themselves. |
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| mpqz |
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It sounds like the program just calculates your outs, the pot size, and figures out the best +EV play, and executes it... (I didn't read about it yet) I think this is dangerous (in limit games) but not a real threat. It would be no different than playing someone who is really a great player (always making +EV moves, because he's looking to win in the long run). It's unfair yes (bots don't go on tilt and they can multi-table 24/7 without ever stopping), but what can you do about it? If party poker (using them as an example here) finds a way to detect it, surely the authors of this program (or anyone else who writes a program to do the same thing) will update their bot to counter act PP's detection. That process would continue constantly, with no winner. With people playing overseas with overseas transactions, I'm not sure if PP can do anything legally to stop each abusive user (I haven't read their TOS). |
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| elipsesjeff |
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What do you all think of this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6002298/ |
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| johnnyawe |
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I went over 2+2 yesterday and found some discussion of winholdem, the MSNBC article, and bots in general. It appears that WinHoldem has had some success in the microlimits, but not much. Basically, WinHoldem just isn't that great of a player.. The primary concern at 2+2 is whether or not it is possible to create the ultimate uber poker bot that is capable of playing well at the higher limits. If you could create a bot that could consistently make even a small amount of money, say 0.5 BB/hour, then imagine profit potential of having the bot 3 tabling at 15 different online poker rooms 24 hours a day. That alone should be enough motiviation for the great poker minds/software engineers to be working on developing such a bot. If such a bot were designed, and the creator released the source, then online poker would probably be destroyed. Even more intriguing, there is speculation at 2+2 that such a bot may already exist. Apparently there is a screenname on Pokerstars who plays the highest limit game (I forget the exact stakes) like 24 hours a day and always has a huge stack in front of him. The fact that this guy is on 24/7 leads many to believe that he is either a bot or multiple people playing under the same name. As a side note, imagine the edge the bots could gain by having 2 of them sit at the same table and card share. Another side note, there is also talk around the internet that an online poker room called Pokertropolis constantly has bots playing in order to keep their tables filled up. |
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| yellows2k |
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| puts on tin foil hat...... | ||
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| man the people actually using this program is making a big mistake. the terms of service clearly indicate that if you cheat they can take your entire balance, and terminate your account. | ||
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