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NLHE T&P - Week 6 Discussion p. 122-134
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zook
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02-12-2007, 06:57 PM
Post subject: NLHE T&P - Week 6 Discussion p. 122-134
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Very short section this week, which might be good b/c last week's discussion is still going strong.
Sklansky & Miller make it very clear that their outline of a pre-flop strategy is a starting point only and even suggest that experienced players skip it altogether. Keep that in mind before you tear it apart. A few questions...
1. With all of S&M's caveats and qualifications, it's obvious that they believe in a fluid pre-flop strategy. Do you have any specific examples in which table texture affected your pre-flop strategy?
2. Again, they heap scorn on always open-raising from late position. Have you experimented with open-limping from LP in the past week? What type of button/blinds might you target with LP limps rather than raises?
3. Pages 131-134 describe adjusting your pre-flop strategy depending on your stack size. Since most FTR'ers top off when they fall below 100BBs, I'm curious how this advice can be applied when other players are shortstacked. If a loose/passive shortstack open limps in front of you, are you less likely to raise implied odds hands like low and mid PPs and more likely to limp behind? How about if you have a loose/passive shortstack behind you, or in the blinds? Other common shortstack situations?
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Fnord
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02-12-2007, 07:48 PM
Post subject: Re: NLHE T&P - Week 6 Discussion p. 122-134
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Originally Posted by zook
1. With all of S&M's caveats and qualifications, it's obvious that they believe in a fluid pre-flop strategy. Do you have any specific examples in which table texture affected your pre-flop strategy?
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When terrible players enter the pot, I tend to find ways to gamble with them with playable cards and position.
When the blinds aren't fighting back often enough, I open up my BN/SB raising range a bit.
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2. Again, they heap scorn on always open-raising from late position. Have you experimented with open-limping from LP in the past week? What type of button/blinds might you target with LP limps rather than raises?
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I only open-limp the button against weak players who don't fold often enough.
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If a loose/passive shortstack open limps in front of you, are you less likely to raise implied odds hands like low and mid PPs and more likely to limp behind? How about if you have a loose/passive shortstack behind you, or in the blinds? Other common shortstack situations?
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Against short stacks:
o High cards go up in value, suited connectors are generally trash unless they're tight post-flop (but still a little spewy.) AJ becomes a monster against these guys.
o If there is about pot behind on the flop, I'll tend to just stick it in with *any* piece of the board.
o For 20bb or less (sometimes even more), I'm willing to iso-raise and call a push with Ax, KQ and any pocket pair.
The key is don't fold anything with value and gamble it up because you'll see so many absurd holdings.
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Lukie
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02-14-2007, 09:02 AM
Post subject: Re: NLHE T&P - Week 6 Discussion p. 122-134
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Originally Posted by zook
Very short section this week, which might be good b/c last week's discussion is still going strong.
Sklansky & Miller make it very clear that their outline of a pre-flop strategy is a starting point only and even suggest that experienced players skip it altogether. Keep that in mind before you tear it apart. A few questions...
1. With all of S&M's caveats and qualifications, it's obvious that they believe in a fluid pre-flop strategy. Do you have any specific examples in which table texture affected your pre-flop strategy?
2. Again, they heap scorn on always open-raising from late position. Have you experimented with open-limping from LP in the past week? What type of button/blinds might you target with LP limps rather than raises?
3. Pages 131-134 describe adjusting your pre-flop strategy depending on your stack size. Since most FTR'ers top off when they fall below 100BBs, I'm curious how this advice can be applied when other players are shortstacked. If a loose/passive shortstack open limps in front of you, are you less likely to raise implied odds hands like low and mid PPs and more likely to limp behind? How about if you have a loose/passive shortstack behind you, or in the blinds? Other common shortstack situations?
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I want to make it known that I havn't read all (or anywhere near all, or even the majority of this book) and I only breased through this section and it was quite a while ago. That said...
I think the entire preflop strategy is entirely too loose-passive and weak for tougher, more aggressive games. It would probably be good to reduce variance as opposed to maximizing expectation in soft, passive games though.
1) obviously yes, this is a crucial aspect of no limit holdem, no scratch that, poker in general. Table texture is/should be a huge part of your preflop strategy.
2) while it's not QUITE this simple, I'll suffice this by saying that there's a reason that all the best cash players are open-raising a LOT of hands in late position.
3) not only stack size, but effective stack size as well. It's obvious that raising implied odds hands when a loose/passive short stack limps in front of you loses a lot of value... ditto with players behind you or in the blinds.
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