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| zook |
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This is a short section, with some concepts that aren't always applicable to low-stakes games b/c players aren't capable of laying down hands. Still, I think it offers some good advice. 1. Do you pay attention to how much $ you leave behind when bet sizing? How about how much your opponent leaves behind? Why should you do both? 2. Great quote from p. 61: Quote:
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| Eric |
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1. Do you pay attention to how much $ you leave behind when bet sizing? How about how much your opponent leaves behind? Why should you do both? Yes. Leaving enough behind for threats on future streets can intimidate non-fish players. I also watch the stacks of my opponents although this is easier online than in brick and mortar settings. |
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| Dave Davis |
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Great thought by Sklansky which is called "the hammer of future bets". You should have something in your stack when you are bluffing because opponent predicts in his fear that he will face another big bet on the next street so having big stack is a good intimidation factor. I find myself not respecting shortstacks and calling them more often with marginal holdings because they can't cripple me so much. Shortstacks can't bluff effectively. Having big stack in a tournament is a great bluffing opportunity because of this hammer of future bets. People know, that if they call you, they better have something good because they will almost certainly be facing an all in bet on next street. This is why big stacks can bully the table. They leave something behind. If opponent with a big stack bets, I am not so likely to raise because I can't push him off. If I just call, he might attack at the next street. Against a shortstack, I am not so scared. |
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| zook |
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A bluff-sizing decision from a session last night... Villain is not very good. Loose passive pre-flop, seems passive post-flop but has folded to aggression. I think his 65BB stack makes this an interesting decision. Thoughts? Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $1/$2 - 9 players - Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $169.95 UTG+1: $251.10 Hero: $193 MP2: $155 MP3: $194.50 CO: $249.75 Button: $52.80 SB: $131.65 BB: $196 Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with 6  6 UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $10, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls. Flop: 4  T 7 ($42, 4 players)SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $30, MP3 folds, SB calls, UTG folds. Turn: 4 ($102, 2 players)SB checks, Hero... |
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| Dave Davis |
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| against loose passive guy, I would check behind turn | |||
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| cardsman1992 |
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| I also think this reinforces how important postflop play is in reraised pots, especially with 100BB effective stacks or less. A flop bet or flop raise if done incorrectly can commit you to a pot or commit your opponent. It can also allow an opponent with a shorter stack to play correctly when he is drawing. | |||
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| zook |
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| Dave Davis |
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this is true and it is the reason it is easier to play as the shortstack. You got just two options: all in or fold. Better players use full stack to maximize their EV even though it is likely that they will face some tough decisions. What are you actually trying to say with your line, zook? |
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| lightningfast35 |
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CO has limp/folded from all positions. Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t25/t50 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: t1735 UTG+1: t2265 CO: t835 Hero: t1195 SB: t4230 BB: t3240 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A J 2 folds, CO calls t50, Hero raises to t200, SB folds, BB calls t150, CO folds. Flop: 4 4 9 (t475, 2 players)BB checks, Hero ??? Here I have a possible multi-street bluff opportunity (flop/turn instead of turn/river like in T&P). After my pre-flop raise, I have t995 chips left. A 1/2 pot-sized c-bet is about 1/4 of my stack (leaving ~t750 behind). If villain calls, the pot will be ~t950. This leaves me with a 3/4 pot-sized all-in turn bluff. A 2/3 pot-sized c-bet is about 1/3 of my stack (I'd much rather push). Quote:
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| zook |
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lightningfast: I like a 1/2 pot c-bet too. If c/r'ed, I fold. I don't think you have any fold equity in that situation, when he'll be getting ~2:1 pot odds. |
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| lightningfast35 |
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| zook |
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| What's your question then? | |||
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| lightningfast35 |
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| Should I push on the flop or use the multi-street bluff like in T&P? | |||
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| Halv |
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This chapter really opened my mind to how important aggressive play in the right spot is. Before reading this, I used to feel "bad" when my blind steals didn't work. Now I hope the blinds call so that I can take away a bigger pot on the flop with a c-bet, because chances are none of us hit the flop. And further, when my cbet gets called I see it as an opportunity to take away an even bigger pot on the turn. Of course this is easy to overdo, so hand reading becomes very important. One of my problems with regards to bluffing both pre-and postflop is dealing with short stacks. Seeing as I can never hit them with "the hammer of future bets", my fold equity diminishes significantly. I don't know how many times I've put out a cbet on the flop only to be hit with a small c/r and had to fold. Or how many times I've had to fold to his flop push after trying a blind steal. (I kinda lost track of where I was going with this post, lol.) |
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| Dave Davis |
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| Shortstacks are difficult to bluff. It seems they always checkraise me, sometimes even with air. I don't bluff them very often. I called a shortstacked checkraise with ace high one day and won. Otherwise, if you hit a top pair against a shortstack, don't c bet. They push almost all the time if you check - I am serious. | |||
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| bode |
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i do agree that its not profitable to bluff a short stack. |
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| The Odds God |
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