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zook
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10-04-2006, 05:29 PM
Post subject: H0H2 Part 8-2 - The Problems - Discussion
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Sorry I'm a couple days late in posting. My attention's been focused on the new legislation and clearing a couple of bonuses. This section illustrates some of the moves Harrington describes in the first half of Part 8. It would still be great to have more hand histories posted if you can dig them up. A few questions to get things started...
1. In Problem 8-1, what do you think of this play? If folded to you, would you complete the SB here with 85o?
2. In Problem 8-2, Harrington recommends a steal from the BB. Is this in your repertoire? Compare this hand to the one in Problem 8-4. Which situation are you more likely to steal in?
3. In Problem 8-8, Harrington recommends a 9X BB raise from the button with KK against a solid, thinking SB. What do you think of this play?
4. In Problem 8-20, Harrington likes a check/raise with 88 on a T43 rainbow board against a solid tournament pro. What do you think?
More questions and comments are welcome.
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Eric
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1. The problem says the loose table has turned tight but we don't have specific info on the BB as an individual. For example, if we had info that he plays back at us a lot or doesn't let us limp then we could consider folding. He has a medium stack which is good for us but it would be nice if we knew about how he plays.
We do not consider folding based on the limited info we have. The question is do we just complete the blind or do we raise. Note that normally I don't like to steal from the button until the blinds are bigger and there are anties. Here we're not on the button though, we only have to get through one player since we're in the SB. I'd complete the SB some of the time in this situation and raise some of the time in this situation. The complete vs raise breakdown depends on many things about the BB and my present image.
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2. I like the steal in 8-2 where the only opponents in the pot are A and D. I'd be wary of Player D because he is described as tight. Player A isn't a big concern for us:
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Player A limps into a lot of pots and has been lucky. He tends to fold to a big bet after he limps. [HOH2 page 65]
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I don't like the steal in 8-4 as much because there are 3 other opponents in the pot this time. Also, Harrington correctly pointed out that the amount the player bet in this example was not enough to scare anyone out.
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3. In problem 8-8 the key is that we are up against a "perceptive" opponent. Harrington uses the word "perceptive" in this problem 3 times for emphasis. Typically I'd just do the standard raise here against any other type of player but under these circumstances I agree with Harrington.
4. In 8-20 it is crucial to note that our opponent has position on us after the flop and he is known to make continuation bets. Once the flop comes T43 the check raise is a good play. Obviously we're in trouble if our opponent has AT, KT or any T for that matter. The thing is our opponent was utg pre-flop and many players would not raise AT or KT over 4x the big blind when they have 8 players yet to act behind them.
I can't wait for Part 9 next week - Inflection Points...
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Originally Posted by Eric
3. In problem 8-8 the key is that we are up against a "perceptive" opponent. Harrington uses the word "perceptive" in this problem 3 times for emphasis. Typically I'd just do the standard raise here against any other type of player but under these circumstances I agree with Harrington.
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Personally I think 9xBB is a bit excessive. Harrington says the typical raise at this point is 3xBB. I like the idea of making it a little bigger to try to convince the "perceptive" SB that you're stealing, but I think 5xBB is probably plenty.
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