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Old 10-23-2006, 05:28 AM     Post subject: H0H2 - Part 10 #1 (permalink)  
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 1. Harrington notes that some players make adjustments because of their relative stack sizes and some do not. Do you think reads become more important late in the tournament when a large percentage of players have low M ratios?

2. On page 223 we have an M of 10 and a Q of 1.2 on an 8 player table. We're utg with 88. What do you think is the right play? Explain.
A. Raise 4xbb
B. Raise 3xbb
C. Raise 2.5xbb
D. Call
E. Fold
F. Other

3. Same situation as question 2 except for our cards. On page 226 Harrington says that he'd raise 4xbb with tens or higher and throw the hand away if the hand were a pair of sixes or lower. Do you agree? Disagree? Explain.

4. In problem 10-4 we have the following:
our hand: T3 os
our stack: 19,000
our position: BB (in for 600)
pot: 1250 total(300/600 blinds plus 50 antes)
situation: Player D who goes all-in for 1750. Everyone else folds to us.
What is our play?
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Old 10-23-2006, 07:27 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 1. Yes, I think reads can be more important late in the tournament when players have low M ratios. Once we reach the final table we don't need to worry about being moved to a different table(against players we don't know) so our reads are more important than ever. All good players make adjustments but they don't necessarily agree on how low the stack needs to be for all-in preflop moves. For example, Harrington can push even in the high stages of the Orange Zone but players like Lindgren don't like to push until low stages of the Orange Zone. In Making The Final Table Erick Lindgren talks about pushing:
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But what do you do if you somehow become a short stack yourself? As I mentioned in earlier chapters, I don't like to move all-in preflop except as a last resort. But when you have fewer than 10 big blinds and every pot has antes in it to boot, you have reached your last resort. It's time to either move in or fold, and pretty much never do anything else.

The later your position, the more hands you can move in with--and you don't want to wait until you only have one or two big blinds in your stack to start moving in. In fact, if it's folded to me when I have only four or five big blinds left, and a tight player is on the big blind, I'm capable of moving in with any two cards. [Making The Final Table page 87]
Reads on how players react to the Orange and Yellow Zones are very important. Late in the tournament we could have the following Orange Zone players at our table:
-a fish who does not adjust at all
-a good player who starts pushing in High Orange
-a good player who starts pushing in Low Orange
Trying to keep track of everything makes it difficult for me to play in the late stages of more than two tournaments at a time.
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Old 10-24-2006, 01:34 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 2. I can't fold here. I don't think I would move all in either. Choices A through D are all possible...it depends.

3. I agree with Harrington. For what it is worth here is how I would play all pairs in this spot:
A. Raise 4xbb
B. Raise 3xbb
C. Raise 2.5xbb
D. Call
E. Fold
F. Other

22 E
33 E
44 E
55 D/E
66 D/E
77 A-D
88 A-D
99 A-D
TT A/B
JJ A/B
QQ A/B
KK A/B
AA A/B

4. Our hand sucks but we call because of the pot odds.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:46 PM #4 (permalink)  
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1. Definitely. You need to know who's aware of low-M strategy and who's not. That's crucial information for deciding who to push all-in against and whose pushes to call.

2. I raise 3xBB. I think this is enough to isolate against the short stacks and not so much that it pot commits me if a big stack re-raises. And I'm happy calling with these cards if a shorty re-raises AI.

3. Hmm... I'm not sure about increasing the raise size with a better hand. For me it depends on whether 3 or 4xBB has been the standard raise size and has been getting the job done. I don't want to blow everyone out of the water pre-flop if I have QQ+. As for 22-66, I think fold>raise>limp. If the table is playing tight, I might raise here, but generally I'm folding.

4. 1150 to call, getting almost 3:1 for only ~1/18 of our stack, I think it's a no-brainer with any two. Against a shorty's range here, I think you're at worst a 2.5:1 dog.
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A couple of hands I thought were interesting:

Hand 10-7: You're the big stack with an M of 24 and sit UTG with AhJh. Table has eight players and you raise to 3xBB and get a call from the button who has the second largest stack. Flop comes 9h7s3s and Harrington recommends not c-betting, because you don't want to get into it with a stack that can do significant damage to yours. I'm not sure I agree 100%, but it's something I don't consider often enough.

Hand 10-15: Harrington points out that in small-stakes online tournaments, you often end up in situations where you aren't quite in the money, or are barely in the money, and even the tourney chip leaders have very low Ms. In this hand you have the second largest stack of the remaining 54 players, but your M is 4! Harrington makes the great point that you should not tighten up and play conservatively here, your play should be governed by your M, not your Q.
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