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zook
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09-05-2006, 03:47 AM
Post subject: H0H1 Part 6-2 - The Problems - Discussion
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Post-flop betting examples in this section. I'm trying to limit my questions, but feel free to add more. I'd particularly welcome discussion about, or hand history examples of, probe bets.
1. In Hand 6-1, after five limpers see the flop Harrington recommends leading the flop from the SB with Ad 7d (board: 7h 3c 2c). Do you agree?
2. In Hand 6-2, how does your decision-making change if the BB isn't a known check-raiser?
3. Not a question, just a great quote from p. 310:
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Anyone can win a big pot when dealt pocket aces, or after flopping a set. A good player loses less money with his marginal hands....
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4. In Hand 6-16, what's your play on the turn? Do you agree that you should be willing to risk all of your chips in this situation with top two pair and an M over 50?
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Eric
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1. We're in the SB and we've flopped top pair. Yes, I believe the right play is to bet here.
2. If the BB isn't a known check-raiser then we bet here.
4. This is one of the differences between tournaments and cash games. As Harrington says,
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In tournaments, you're under severe time pressure to keep moving ahead and acquiring chips. [HOH pg 328]
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I agree with Harrington and I'd be willing to risk all my chips here.
Note, I think there is a typo because the board is AT67 but Harrington says,
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...With no flushes or straights on the board, there's not much else. [HOH pg 328]
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This is incorrect, if our opponent has 89 then he has a straight.
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1. Yes, you should bet here. That flop most likely did not hit anyone with the exception of someone with pocket 3's or 2's. You are ahead here much more often than you are behind.
2. If the BB isn't a known check-raiser here I would probably check 50% of the time and value bet 50% of the time. I try not to value bet too often with middle/bottom pairs, especially against more than one opponent.
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Originally Posted by Eric
1. We're in the SB
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Edited, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Eric
Yes, I believe the right play is to bet here.
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I'm not sure I want to risk chips here with five players behind when we could get called by flush draws or overcards and would have to play OOP with about a bazillon scare cards that could come on the turn. But maybe I'm a wuss.
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Originally Posted by Eric
4. This is one of the differences between tournaments and cash games. As Harrington says,
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In tournaments, you're under severe time pressure to keep moving ahead and acquiring chips. [HOH pg 328]
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I agree with Harrington and I'd be willing to risk all my chips here. |
Yeah I guess. Just seems early to be putting it all on the line, but the two callers could easily be "doofusses" (Harrington's word) and have TP here.
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Originally Posted by zook
I'm not sure I want to risk chips here with five players behind when we could get called by flush draws or overcards and would have to play OOP with about a bazillon scare cards that could come on the turn. But maybe I'm a wuss.
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Again, you have to be willing to lose a few chips to accumulate them. I bet of 50 to 60 chips can win the pot for you right then. Also, if someone calls with a flush draw they have now made a mistake mathmatically. Bet here, but proceed with caution. You can't let situations go where you are, most likely, ahead.
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zook
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Thanks for joining the discussion Gator. Feel free to add questions of your own if you want.
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