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| zook |
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Getting into the meat of the book. Hopefully the hand problems will generate some discussion. I definitely don't have the time to post every one, but it would be awesome if people could pick out one they found interesting or tricky and post it. I'm not sure if there are any copyright issues with posting the sample hands, but I'll leave that for an admin to figure out. A few questions to get things started again... 1. What do you think of Dan's defenses against a super-aggressive player? Are there others? 2. Do you ever show your hands when you aren't called? In what situations? 3. What do you think of Dan's use of his watch as a randomizer? Necessary? 4. What do you think of the play in Hand 2-4 (below)? Do you ever use this instead of a standard c-bet? Single-table satellite - Blinds: $15/$30 - 9 players Hero is SB with :Kd::Qd: and a stack of $960 (3rd smallest stack at the table) - BB is very aggressive and has a stack of $1,850 Hand is folded to Hero who raises to $115. BB calls $85. Flop comes    Hero checks, BB bets $240, Hero raises to $845 (all-in). I leave Thursday for ten days of vacation up in Trainer_Jyms neighborhood. Does anyone want to post some questions for Part 3 next Sunday? Or for Part 4 the following Sunday? I can probably make time if not. |
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| Da GOAT |
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I havent reread part 2 but...... Watch as randomiser- i dont play at a level online where i would need to but at home games i would mix it up against my mates but it would be situation based instead. I rarely show hands if they dont pay. As for the hand, i dont remember it but ill have a go. I like it alot if villian raised pf and i called OOP. then i check/raised with this type of hand. I have a friend who 100% c/b's so with flops as crap as these I can c/r and he folds so often its profitable. ive had to hold myself back from doing it to often on these boards so he doesnt cop on. Against very aggresive players I like it but online especially SNGs i wouldnt use this to be honest as i dont have enough info usually to categorise villian as super agg. |
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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| clairvoyant |
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1. I do like his Rope-A-Dope play which I implement quite often into my game. I rarely play online, I have a group of about 15+ people who often get together and play (4 times a week usually) with usually 8 people per game. The rope-a-dope tends to work best against the super aggressive players that I know. Coming over the top with the hammer doesn't work quite as well becuase these people don't raise with nothing to take the blinds all that often, they just call almost every time unless they have something good, in which they raise. 2. I never do unless it is a royal flush or something brilliant. 3. Clever, but I probably wouldn't use it. 4. I personally think it is a good play, I don't use it very often, but since I am known as a conservative player it usually scares the opponent away easily. Typically c-bets is what I go with. |
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| Eric |
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3. I like it, preventing your opponents from picking up reads is very important imo. |
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| pankfish |
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I have a quick question about hand 2-1. Why does he try to win the hand as cheap as possible when he flops a flush, but assume his low flush is good once the 4th club hits? The only part of this hand I agree with is you should have folded preflop. I don't understand why he would make such a small bet to try and buy a pot. After the call on the flop and the fourth club comes on the turn shouldn't we be slowing down? I'm not saying it's time to fold, but it's definitely time to let someone else put the money in the pot and play for a cheap showdown. This is all a pretty unlikely scenario though, both players having two clubs and the first four cards that come on the board are clubs. Tough to imagine with a shuffled deck. |
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| zook |
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| Perrygarl |
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1) I admit I do prefer the rope-a-dope tactic to the Hammer tactic. But then again I do play the micro levels where players will call down with any Ace, so I am reluctant to try and do it with say K-Q suited. But the rope-a-dope works great on super-aggressive players when you have a set, and they have top pair, good or best kicker. 2) I used to, when starting out, but now I tend to try and prevent my opponents getting any information on me whenever possible. I still see a lot of players 3) It's not something I have personally done, but I think for a beginner it would be perfect to learn to vary plays with hands. 4) I do love that move, and I do use it. It's when you get those flops that you know haven't helped your opponent [raggedy flop, rainbow.] you could check, make them bet, then come over the top. I had a strange situation when I did this against two players on a 8-high rainbow flop after I opened with a raise pre-flop, I did the check raise with A-K, and I get called by a player with Q-7, for Queen high. Two Tens on the turn and river meant I profited a lot more from that play than I expected. But I do love that move. People can't help to make a bluff, just for the sake of it, because you checked. |
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Mr Inconsistency....that is moi!!!!!
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| cardplayer52 |
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1. defences... i think there great move but can be opponant specific. it depents a lot on if there run from action(rope a dope). do they call big raises behind(hammer). i dont know if there new defenses but i find if a super-aggresive play is next to act after me i find cheching/calling and letting him bet my hand for me is a good tool to use. it can trap others into the pot whenyou got a good hand as they know the sup-agg player will often raise light. eg UTG you got AA check, the SA player got junk and raises, all the players left to act may call with hands they wouldnt normally call a raise with(definatly wouldnt if you made it), then you reraise(drop the hammer) the other players may feel committed as they already called a raise and you get a call by a weaker hand that normally would of folded had you raised UTG. 2. showing hands... yes i often like just to brag(big leak). but after rereading this in the book i've tried a few different things. one to make huge over bets(donkey bluffs) weak early in a tourney(then showing). i found my bigger value bets get called later by some very weak hands too. also even when i don't raise pre flop(as i did w/the hands i bluffed with) i get more action post flop when i flop a monster. yes i run the risk of losing lots of chips early on but i found the risk sometimes worth the reward. how ever i plan to play later tight or loose i show hands early to show the opposite. here i plan to play tight later abd show i'm a donkey early. two i tried the exact thing dan mentions in the book about the player he watched show only good hands as he runs over the table. it works try it sometime. i usually do this towards the bubble when the blinds are worth stealing. showing a few strong hands on your own or had to because you went to show down builds credibitly for your later bluffs. 3.randomizer... i think this is a very good idea. althouth ive never done it. i also play online where mostly dont see the same players enough for them to have a good enough read to need to. but for some of the regular tourney's i get in i've been thinking of trying it. i do realize if a recognize something i can always override the randomizer. and can always adjust the %'s as i see fit. dan is a world class player and who am i to question it(atleast before i try it). 4.hand 2-4... if you change the 3 to a diamond(giving the KQ a flush draw as well as two overs) i make this play all day long. i bet that the player folds enough to make this a good play. but to me there are too many reasons not to make this play here. one its very early on in the tourney chip have less value than later on. so IMO the risk here is too great for the reward. two if you get called your probably crushed(by 2 pair,set,str8 or even AcKc,AcQc). three if you do get called and suck out(against AA or something) then you image may be shot and your bluffs wont work. four dan states this guy fights for pots and doesnt say he saw him fold to a shove(i think before i make the play i'd like to know he can/will fold)five this is a good play people also remember stuff like this. so you cant do this too often without getting called down. dont waste the move here do it later when the pots are big and the blinds are worth it. another thing here its early and i wouldnt put too much stock into my reads just yet.(he doesnt say if he knows this player from other games) |
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| cardplayer52 |
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| also i more point i wanted to make about the reading. dan comments on how there is no defence against a tight/aggresive player. i believe a good offence is your best defence here. they are tight and fold often. so by stealing there blinds and 3beting them(careful here though)out of a pot you can make money(small amounts each time). | ||
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