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Silly String
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06-12-2009, 02:36 PM
Post subject: Anybody buying SS No-limit Holdem E-book?
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Full House
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Is anyone buying Miller, Mehta & Flynn's new book? They are skipping the publishing house and publishing an e-book direct to the consumers. The reg. price is $100 but they are pre-selling it for $40.
Here is the website: http://smallstakesnolimitholdem.com/
Obviously they authored the high quality "Professional No-limit Holdem" book. I would like to buy, but I'm old school and would prefer a hard copy as I know little about e-books. Apparently this one will have to be read on a PC or printed?
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Ash256
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Ty for the link sir, at $40 this is hugely +EV IMO
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Erpel
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I did the pre-order and it arrived less than 2 hours ago. I've read the first 40ish pages and skimmed the rest of the content. I have to say - it looks really good.
I think most 200nl players probably won't learn too much from it, but evenso I think it will help those players as a filter. It will reinforce the good lessons and expose some of the bad lessons as bad.
I think it's easily worth the $40 I paid but I'll withhold judgement on the $100 price tag until I'm done reading it a couple of times. That said, without having finished it, my current two favourite poker learning materials are the BobboFitos DVD set and this book - each of them to me worth maybe as much as ToP, NLHE:T&P and PNL (my three second favourite poker books) put together.
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bigred
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Looks like I missed the pre order. I would have thought about purchasing it. Now fahget about it
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Jason
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I pre-ordered the book and it arrived today. At a glance, it looks even better than their other book PNLV1 in the sense that the topics seemed more focused and advanced. But, I, too, will try to reserve judgment until I've read it. The book appears to be in a password protected PDF file format.
Not to hijack the thread, but what makes "BobboFitos Winning Strategy in No-Limit Hold 'Em 3 DVD Set" so much better than all those other books?
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Jack Sawyer
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How do I preorder it?
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Erpel
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Originally Posted by Jason
I pre-ordered the book and it arrived today. At a glance, it looks even better than their other book PNLV1 in the sense that the topics seemed more focused and advanced. But, I, too, will try to reserve judgment until I've read it. The book appears to be in a password protected PDF file format.
Not to hijack the thread, but what makes "BobboFitos Winning Strategy in No-Limit Hold 'Em 3 DVD Set" so much better than all those other books?
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Well, not to hijack or anything.. 
The DVD set has imo excellent coverage of the reaons for what we also know as the ABCD theorem or in BobboFitos terminilogy the golden ratio. In the video it's applied strictly to 3betting, but that way of defining a polarised range can be applied on any street and for any betting decision. He covers flop texture analysis and bet sizing well and for both those topics he gives a solid introduction to how to modify your nut and bluff/semi-bluff sub ranges based on opponent tendencies. I'm still beginner enough that that's very valuable to me.
It could easily be that I was just at a point in my learning curve where the DVD set taught and reinforced concepts that I was very much thinking about whereas with the books it didn't feel like it applied so much to me. The three mentioned books to me outlines a lot of principles and possible plays, but the DVD set and this ebook both seem to provide more of a guide on how to think and how to play. They start you out in the situation where you have to make a decision and bring in factors that can/should be part of your decision making process and help you determine what kind of effect they should have on your decisions.
I'm not saying that the DVD set or the eBook is absolutely better than those three books put together - just that the value I, at my current skill level, realise from the different materials seem to favour the DVD set and the eBook. Actually my plan for the near future is to finish the eBook, read the three mentioned books (and Fee's 6 max guide), watch the DVDs again and read the eBook again - and only then will I be ready to assert whether I maintain what is currently just a quick impression.
To answer the pre-order/order question:
Today is release date. Today and from now on you can only buy the eBook at its full price ($100). If you pre-ordered the book prior to today you got a special pre-order price of $40.
The file is a pdf. It is password protected (and I would assume the password is generated based on the email address you signed up with and the pdf "printed" to that password for you individually). I checked the security tab and not too many things are not allowed. For instance you seem to be allowed to copy/paste as well as print.
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Silly String
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Erpel, if you're going to post high quality content like that, then hi-jack away. Thanks for the well thought out summaries.
I didn't pull the trigger b/c I don't read my current books enough to justify another $40 sitting on my computer & I read mostly on trips and that is difficult without a hard copy.
Please post back more as you get further into the book.
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drmcboy
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does this mean there will not be a PNLHE V2?
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bjsaust
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Apparantly this isnt a sequel to PNL, its a standalone book, so I guess its possible that PNL2 will still come out.
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Erpel
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There will be no PNL vol2.
Initially there was an agreement for the authors to create two volumes of PNL with deadlines for each. They wrote volume 1 and produced content for a second book and for whatever reason they got into an argument with 2+2 and it so transpired that the deadline for submission of a manuscript for volume 2 passed. That resulted in the contract for the second volume running out - so there is no longer a contract between the authors and 2+2 to produce a volume 2.
SSNLHE doubtless has some content that was intended for a PNL vol2, but it also covers other areas that were not previously considered and it is perfectly readable as a stand-alone book. It's more a spiritual successor to PNLv1 than a volume2.
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siltstrider
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Originally Posted by That Site
E-books are the newest wave in poker training. You can supercharge your game by learning from the best. The problem? Bankroll-busting pricetags. $750. $1,000. $1,850.
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People seriously spend that much on ebooks? Is that true? It seems really weird to me.
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bjsaust
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If you're playing 1knl and one of the best players in the world puts down all his thoughts on beating the game at your level and above, you wouldnt consider 1 buyin worth it?
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Just playing to improve.
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siltstrider
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They actually do that? The idea just seemed like old MMORPG ebooks, where a twelve-year-old would write a super secret money-making guide that would be like, "Go kill this dragon a lot he drops the best loots!" and try to sell it.
There really are legitimate ebooks out there?
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TonyB73
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Gaaaahhh!
I was totally planning on buying this at the pre-order price ... I can't believe I've missed it ...
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Darth Candy
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I almost pulled the trigger on this one. Was so tempted to pre-order but I changed my mind mainly because I'm only at a micro level (5NL) and there is just so much material already available to beat this level.
I would lke to hear from you after you've read the entire thing and get your opinion. Please post how it's going after reading it, is it more theory or application?, Is it applicable to lower levels?, etc.
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drmcboy
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lame, I hate reading stuff on PCs, hmm
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
lame, I hate reading stuff on PCs, hmm
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Buy a kindle ldo
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They should re-title the book:
Grand Theft Poker
They advocate a very very aggro style.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
They should re-title the book:
Grand Theft Poker
They advocate a very very aggro style.
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Is this ebook worth $100? I really enjoy ED miller's writing style.
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FlyingSaucy
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For most folks in small stakes this is between 4 and 1 buy ins, not bad imo. Think about the long term and whether you are committed to sticking with poker, and the decision of whether to buy it becomes trivial.
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Erpel
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I still haven't finished the book, but there are definitely posts on the small stakes ebook forum about the book potentially being underpriced already.
I think the main argument is in the form of a comparison between the book and a forum like this one. I think this forum probably covers everything the book does - and more! But, the book is more efficient as a learning tool as you would spend 20 times as much time on the forum (if not more) to find the same content - plus also on the forum it's in the way of discussion which has it's pros and cons. Here I'm mostly concerned with the cons. As part of the editing and publishing process this book has presumably been reviewed by subject matter experts other than the authors themselves and found to be relatively free of errors. Forums are often a hotbed of opinion, which may differ, and it can be hard from a thread to deduce an actual lesson. Presumably the book should be relatively free of that and provide a relatively clear lesson or principle.
I think the book may serve as a sanity check - to filter out the bad and reinforce the good lessons. Additionally it may supply more concentrated and efficient learning. Are those things worth $100? To be honest, I think they probably are - for anyone who has as a personal aim to be a winning poker player at any limit above 10nl - even if he is currently only playing 2-10nl. The bankroll might not be able to sponsor the book, but I think the value is still there.
I think it's certainly money better spent than $100 worth of coaching. Video training sites may be better value though.
But don't buy it unless you think you are making a long term commitment to poker.
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Keith
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Originally Posted by Erpel
I think it's certainly money better spent than $100 worth of coaching. Video training sites may be better value though.
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thats one thing that I was thinking whilst reading your review of it. 100$ is getting on for 9 months sub at grinderschool. Down at the aspiring 10NL range of players I've got a feeling that 9months at grinderschol will be more help in getting through 10,25 and 50 nl than buying that book . The book might then be a follow on or something to consider at 50NL.
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For anyone on the fence about it:
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Originally Posted by P. 68 of SSNLHE
Principle 2: Don’t Use A Sledgehammer When A Slightly Smaller Sledgehammer Will Suffice
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TonyB73
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Originally Posted by FlyingSaucy
For anyone on the fence about it:
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Originally Posted by P. 68 of SSNLHE
Principle 2: Don’t Use A Sledgehammer When A Slightly Smaller Sledgehammer Will Suffice
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So which side of the fence should this push me over??
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lame, I hate reading stuff on PCs, hmm
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Agreed. I bought it pre-order and it's almost finished printing out on my Epson dot matrix printer....
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