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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I am skeptical about micro-stakes players being conscious enough of my ranges to use this technique.
@spoony: At what level do you think villains have enough of a sense of my range to employ this tactic?
You're very much over-thinking this and trying to make it more complicated than it is. There are plenty of hands that play better with an open limp as opposed to an open raise in games with players like what you're describing here.
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Is there some level of play where this becomes more or less useful?
I do see top level pros open limping pre. I tend to assume that they're balancing their ranges in a way that both responds to and allows them to play wider, more deceptive ranges.
Personally, in late position, with passive blinds, I might join a limp-fest with over a 60% range.
Over-estimating the range that's profitable to limp here is a common mistake. The more players in the hand, the more reverse implied odds become an issue.
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
This is based on the notion that, "at some level of pot-odds, folding ATC is absurd." If I'm getting 11:1 or more, and I don't expect a raise behind, I am very likely to call a ton of S1G and S2G's, KXs type hands that can flop monster / nut hands, but MUST catch to be profitable.
That 11:1 you're getting is insignificant to the implied odds and reverse implied odds etc, see above.
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I don't feel any need to balance my range by limping JJ+/AK/AQ type hands in those spots. Those strong hands are in trouble in multi-way pots. I haven't noticed any strong trend of players adjusting to this or capping my ranges on later streets.
Thoughts?
This week's strategy article was specifically about open limping, not limping after limpers. I point this out because things get much more complicated limping after limpers in terms of what your range looks like and why. With that having been said, I believe GTO would incorporate some percentage of AA when limping after limping so that we could have the nuts on a flop of A82r (being able to have the nuts on any flop is a key part of GTO for hold'em, even at particularly small frequencies), but I don't think it's something we should be doing unless we know we're up against a bunch of opponents who are all also playing GTO (aka never).
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