10NL FR - AKs in SB

Player pool reads: There are 2 basic types of players on Bovada: deep stack and short stack. In general, a player's stack size when they first sit is a very good estimate of that player's skill.

Regs have a decent pre-flop game as far as bet-sizing, but are generally too loose from EP and MP. They generally treat aggression with aggression OTF and OTT, and become docile OTR.

The short stacks are level 0 thinkers who will chase anything to the river if you let them. Their lines are either strong or nonsensical, usually indicating either strength or a bluff / random bingo.

Pretty much everyone treats an open like a limp, while giving 3-bets get too much respect.

All reads are subject to random spew from anyone at any time (unfortunately, myself included).

This table was ideal for seat selection when I sat a couple of hours prior, but has turned into a pretty reg-filled table. As evident by the 3 players with over 150 bb, there has been plenty of spew from fishes to keep the table alive.



Bovada, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

BB: $6.88 (68.8 bb)
UTG: $15.23 (152.3 bb)
UTG+1: $9.51 (95.1 bb)
MP: $9.01 (90.1 bb)
HJ: $16.63 (166.3 bb)
CO: $9.90 (99 bb)
BTN: $10.10 (101 bb)
Hero (SB): $15.31 (153.1 bb)

Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with AK
UTG raises ($0.20), UTG+1 raises ($0.60), MP folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises ($1.80), BB folds, UTG calls ($1.60), UTG+1 calls ($1.20)

At this point, I figure both players are set mining.

Thoughts?

Flop: ($5.50) 284 (3 players)
Hero bets all-in ($13.43 EFF), UTG calls ($13.43), UTG+1 folds

My bet sizing was based on wanting to get it HU or end it. Any smaller size would make awkward SPR OTT if UTG folds and UTG+1 calls. Also, I want to get both draws for this semi-bluff, and I want the full power of the semi-bluff to hit UTG, forcing him to fold any PP that didn't connect (since I easily rep KK+ pre, and neither are repping AA).

Thoughts?

To assume both players are set mining because they call a 3b IP is incorrect imo. Although a lot of their range will be mid-PP up to like QQ. This is me assuming people tend to 4b KK and don't open the worst PPs UTG/UTG+1. Will also be plenty of overcard type hands like AQ, KQ etc imo.

As to whether shoving here is good or not, it seems a bit much. At the same time though you're probably getting snapped by flush draws and folding out some hands like 99-TT which have very good equity against you, not in too bad shape against 88 and if villain levels himself into calling with a hand like AQ then happy days.

Originally Posted by ImSavy

To assume both players are set mining because they call a 3b IP is incorrect imo.

UTG opened UTG+1 3-bet I 4-bet, both called.

I agree that I should be including AK,AQ maybe AJ, but prob. not.


I weight them to PP's since:

UTG's open was weak (minraise), but calling the 4-bet w/o closing the action is strong... I don't think this villain is calling here with KQ, but I might be wrong. I DO think this villain 5-bets with AA, but again, I could be wrong.
I have no idea what his range is to miniraise UTG... I assumed pretty wide, so I wasn't expecting him to call the 4-bet PRE. I was expecting to ISO UTG+1. When he flats the 4-bet, I think he's got a strong, but capped range.

UTG+1 open 3-bet, which doesn't happen often at these tables. I think the weakest hand that would do this is in the AQ ballpark, maybe not all the small PP. I think low-pairs are more likely to call. So again, when he doesn't 5-bet, I figure the highest he can reasonably have is KK.

So both players are basically in the range of 66-KK (maybe as high as 88-KK) with a small portion of AK, AQ... maybe not 100% of the time will they take this line with AK, AQ.

The fact that it's a 4-bet pot PRE is why I weight them to strong PP's. Do you think this is a mistake?

Originally Posted by ImSavy

As to whether shoving here is good or not, it seems a bit much. At the same time though you're probably getting snapped by flush draws and folding out some hands like 99-TT which have very good equity against you, not in too bad shape against 88 and if villain levels himself into calling with a hand like AQ then happy days.

Do you think the fact that I'm still 130 bb EFF with 1 of the villains gives me different options as far as bet sizing?

What if I was HU OTF against UTG?

What would your sizing be in that case?

Easy c/f vs 2ops w/o significant readus in my play. -EV flop play

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with AK
UTG raises ($0.20), UTG+1 raises ($0.60), MP folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises ($1.80), BB folds, UTG calls ($1.60), UTG+1 calls ($1.20)

Flop: ($5.50) 284 (3 players)
Hero bets all-in ($13.43 EFF), UTG calls ($13.43), UTG+1 folds

My bet sizing was based on wanting to get it HU or end it. Any smaller size would make awkward SPR OTT if UTG folds and UTG+1 calls. Also, I want to get both draws for this semi-bluff, and I want the full power of the semi-bluff to hit UTG, forcing him to fold any PP that didn't connect (since I easily rep KK+ pre, and neither are repping AA).

Thoughts?

UTG has JJ+, biased in favour of KK/AA right?
hmm, i prefer $2.
even when your shove is called by one player you only need 40% for breakeven, and you've got some fold equity etc => shove is obviously fine, not sure about optimal though.
check-fold would be pretty bad obviously

Originally Posted by Razvan729

Easy c/f vs 2ops w/o significant readus in my play. -EV flop play

Really?

Hero has NFD + overs to villains' capped ranges, which plays well even against flopped sets. This board is all low cards which means that sets are less likely, given action PRE. There are 55 bb of dead money in the pot... and you would c/f in this spot? to any bet?

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just surprised.
Please: run me through your logic, because I'm missing something.


No reads? I have reads on each villain's range and player pool reads ITT.
Tell me what to include, as I have the table review open and I can give you more reads. It's Bovada (anon accounts) so I don't have VPIP/PFR/3-bet stats or anything.

Originally Posted by daven

UTG has JJ+, biased in favour of KK/AA right?
hmm, i prefer $2.
even when your shove is called by one player you only need 40% for breakeven, and you've got some fold equity etc => shove is obviously fine, not sure about optimal though.
check-fold would be pretty bad obviously

I'm rusty at assigning ranges, but my gut says non-fish opponents would keep re-raising w/ AA PRE, and usually KK, too. However, with the UTG+1's 3-bet and my 4-bet from SB (both repping strong ranges), it's possible that UTG has KK and is scared of running into AA.

What is your plan with the $2 open OTF to various ways this betting round can play out?
E.g.
If UTG folds, and UTG+1 raises (any amount really. Their SPR is doomed if they don't ship in this spot)

If UTG raises, and UTG+1 calls.

If UTG raises and UTG+1 folds.


Is your plan to play for stacks against UTG? Or are we both too deep to get that involved OTF?

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

I'm rusty at assigning ranges, but my gut says non-fish opponents would keep re-raising w/ AA PRE, and usually KK, too. However, with the UTG+1's 3-bet and my 4-bet from SB (both repping strong ranges), it's possible that UTG has KK and is scared of running into AA.

also possible that utg is deciding to slowplay AA pre given action, but yeah, discount it some for not 5betting i guess?

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

What is your plan with the $2 open OTF to various ways this betting round can play out?
E.g.
If UTG folds, and UTG+1 raises (any amount really. Their SPR is doomed if they don't ship in this spot)

If UTG raises, and UTG+1 calls.

If UTG raises and UTG+1 folds.


Is your plan to play for stacks against UTG? Or are we both too deep to get that involved OTF?

i'm betting $2 with the plan of putting the whole stack in facing any action.

Originally Posted by Razvan729

Easy c/f vs 2ops w/o significant readus in my play. -EV flop play

If any street was pushing it, I would say pre-flop is pushing it facing an utg open, an utg+1 and effective stacks with UTG.

As played, I'd probably bet $2.35 and shove turn.

My mistake. Didnt realiste is NFD. Bet/shove or shove turn or CRAI flop

I'd probably bet to about 1/2pot, and see how the opponents will react. If somebody raise, I will call.

Originally Posted by STILL_mkd

I'd probably bet to about 1/2pot, and see how the opponents will react. If somebody raise, I will call.

Why do you choose 1/2 pot for bet-sizing?

Why would you call and not raise?