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mukaka
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03-30-2008, 12:46 PM
Post subject: $11 - pocket fives weird stack size
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: screw sngs
Posts: 728
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Didn't know what to do with this due to my stack size.. Higher I would std raise, lower I would push..
Full Tilt Poker, $10 + $1 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 40/80 Blinds, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
CO: 1,725
Hero (BTN): 1,050
SB: 4,763
BB: 3,047
UTG: 2,915
Pre-Flop: (120) 5 5 dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, Hero ???
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ginozola
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 30
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Urgh. I think I push all-in. I don't like limping because unless we hit a set we're playing blind. Raise of 3-4BB seems ok, but if re-raised I'm all in.
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rvrking22
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Im a) folding this, 55 is not an ideal hand to push with or b) set farming....limp in and if you hit get your stack in, if you miss check/fold flop..I really dont think a push is a goood play here considering you only get 120 chips if nobody calls and if they do call your a 50/50 at best....
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fjuanl
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
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I'm guessing if you plug this into SNGWiz it would say to push
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ballarat, Australia
Posts: 5,713
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It should say to fold I think. Be interested to find out. I need something like 88+ to push here.
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Just playing to improve.
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Im_new
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2007
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I'm folding here.
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Rage2100
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
I need something like 88+ to push here.
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Yeah, I agree with this. Sometimes I may even push with 77 but I would fold 55.
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yourfather
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Join Date: Jan 2008
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I think its a shove if blinds are 50/100 or more but now its a fold.
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Ragnar4
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Billings, Montana
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still have an M of less than 10.. But you're flipping against most callers..
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2007
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Hmm, I decided to run this through SNGPT and its more interesting than I thought.
This seems to be a real turning point for pushing ranges. Here are my default calling ranges (from really tight to really loose) and the ranges we'd push. This assumes both call equal ranges:
66+,AT+ - 33+,AKs,AQs,AJs,ATs,ATo+,A9s,A8s,A7s,A5s,KJo+,K9s+ ,QJo,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s
44+,A7+,KJ+ - 66+,ATo+,A9s+
22+,A2+,KT+,QJ - 55+,ATo+,A8s+
22+,A2+,K9+,KJo+,QT+,JT - 66+,A9o+,A8s+
Hard to say what range they'd call with here. A 12.5xBB push will normally be called fairly tightly, but then in this case its no more than 1/3 of the stack of either opp, so they may feel like gambling.
I suspect this is close enough that I probably fold, but my initial pushing range was a fair way off apparantly.
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Just playing to improve.
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TLR
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Stars $16 and $27 Sngs
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I am pushing it
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JeffreyGB
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ellicott City, MD
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I push as well. A standard raise isn't horrible though, especially if opponents have a tendency to call and then check/fold flops. Or if they have shown they will call pushes with a wide range preflop.
Limping for set value is ridiculous. In fact, calling for set value after the first two levels is rarely correct in SNG play. The stacks are just too shallow for it.
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