I don't mean outwardly, the essence of your humanity.
I don't. People dull or sharpen aspects of their personality.They may appear unrecognizable to the outside world, but you stay you.
03-21-2015 10:22 AM
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Do People Change?I don't mean outwardly, the essence of your humanity. | |
03-21-2015 10:28 AM
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Yes, you change fundamentally as a person. | |
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03-21-2015 10:34 AM
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Yes, discovering truths of the world can change how you navigate it and the world itself is subject to change. After all, what are you but a meatsack doing things? | |
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03-21-2015 10:44 AM
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You know that philosophical thinkaround about the ship that is refurbished over the years so that no speck of the original is a part of it now, is it still the same ship? | |
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03-21-2015 10:54 AM
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Are all thought physical? Does thought exist outside of the physical world? Should we apply physical processes to the metaphysical? | |
03-21-2015 10:56 AM
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Yes, all thoughts are physical. | |
03-21-2015 10:57 AM
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Yeah, stroke patients attest to the fact that the brain carries thoughts and that a change to the physical brain changes the thinking. | |
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03-21-2015 11:02 AM
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I think that is overly simplistic and you just "conclusively" proved that the world is deterministic and thus free will does not exist. | |
03-21-2015 11:03 AM
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I think it's an illusion because the ship's plans never changed. The only thing connecting the old and new ships are the continuum of ships in between. While the line of yous through time is continuous, if you take two snapshots far enough apart, there will always be differences. It's because the continuum of yous exists that it's tempting to believe something about you is unchanging. | |
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03-21-2015 11:04 AM
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I mean, we're jumping around a lot, but I like to believe that absolute free will probably isn't a thing, but relative free will is. | |
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03-21-2015 11:04 AM
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Your brain is more afraid of you than you are of it. | |
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03-21-2015 11:09 AM
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That's why I marinade it in so much alcohol. Keep the bastard soft and sloppy. | |
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03-21-2015 11:30 AM
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I don't think that the concession that free will probably doesn't exist and that all behavior is deterministic is all that bad. Human behavior is still extremely complex, and the result of random particles bouncing around in patterns so intractable that we cannot hope to pinpoint what they are. | |
03-21-2015 12:26 PM
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This conversation lacks definitions on all meaningful concepts being discussed. | |
03-21-2015 01:54 PM
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Interesting topic. I've given some thought to this the last few years. People change all the time, imo. | |
03-21-2015 02:31 PM
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I think we stay mostly the same just with more experience and calm. |
03-21-2015 02:42 PM
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03-21-2015 07:30 PM
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Yeah people change, I'm a much different person to 6 years ago and you only have to look at children and how they change. I think as you get older you become more prone to less change. |
03-22-2015 09:27 AM
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03-22-2015 09:29 AM
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We are the sum of our capabilities and experiences, both of which change whether we like it or not. So yes, we change. | |
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03-22-2015 09:51 AM
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03-22-2015 09:52 AM
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03-22-2015 09:56 AM
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Some things that drove this, I've know people who swung wildly from conservative to liberal and vice versa, but these people were always, what I call "rule followers". They needed someone to guide them. | |
03-22-2015 10:00 AM
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What is you, what defines you. | |
03-22-2015 12:06 PM
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03-22-2015 12:13 PM
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I don't think drugs can break a person, unless you're talking about severe abuse. In which case they break a person chemically. |
03-22-2015 01:56 PM
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Drugs helped make me aware of my internal emotional state. A little chemical love in your chest will make you wonder the source of those other feelings. Drugs also made me think about the actual act of thinking. A couple specks of some chemical in your blood can dramatically change the experience of experiencing. | |
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03-22-2015 02:01 PM
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If people don't change, then wouldn't we have learned tens of thousands of years ago that offering forgiveness is a life-threatening decision? | |
03-22-2015 02:04 PM
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03-22-2015 02:07 PM
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I remember staring at a dos equis sign with the two big Xs and watching as they morphed into different letters WI YK shit like that. Seeing my brain try to guess and check at the symbols before me was hilariously fun. | |
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03-22-2015 03:07 PM
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Off topic. | |
03-22-2015 03:13 PM
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03-22-2015 03:14 PM
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Last edited by !Luck; 03-22-2015 at 03:17 PM. | |
03-22-2015 03:18 PM
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03-22-2015 04:26 PM
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I'm not glorifying any establishment. I'm not trying to say all doctors are good or that any one doctor is always right. | |
03-22-2015 05:31 PM
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I didn't mean to imply that you never think critical of the advice you are given. | |
03-22-2015 08:05 PM
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03-22-2015 08:44 PM
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Not for nothing, but I'm talking doctors who treat patients and their definition of what constitutes a human body (and not the tricky parts at the beginning and end, even), and you're talking about a regulating committee and their advice on nutrition. | |
03-22-2015 08:49 PM
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03-22-2015 09:18 PM
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03-22-2015 09:23 PM
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Now we're at the crux of the question. | |
03-22-2015 10:09 PM
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change is stopping making the same type of mistake. | |
03-22-2015 11:52 PM
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03-23-2015 08:23 AM
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03-23-2015 09:05 AM
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practice makes perfect spoon. only failure is to give up sir. | |
03-23-2015 12:36 PM
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This is the cool question, and one step further is the question "are genetics deterministic?" If there is a pedophile or alcoholism gene, are people with those genes destined to be pedophiles and alcoholics? I dont think the scientific community has found an answer yet, though this question has generated a lot of debate and research over the years (included questions over a potential 'gay gene'). | |
03-23-2015 12:47 PM
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This doesnt really work. Mistakes sometimes involve events outside of our control. For example, I used to make mistakes when determining the value of x in the equation x^2 +2x +1 = 4, I dont anymore. This is a scenario completely within my control. But, try as I might, I cant seem to arrive on time to class 100% of the time (alarm breaks, or I got poor sleep, or my car broke down, heavy traffic, etc) | |
03-23-2015 08:54 PM
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03-24-2015 09:29 AM
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You. | |
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03-24-2015 05:44 PM
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Ha. Spoon. | |
03-24-2015 05:53 PM
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Also, I'm more inclined now to believe that mediation has benefits, but now it's general laziness more than fundamental disagreement. | |