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  1. #1

    Default SOMEBODY PLEASE......

    tell me when i am supposed to fold here... if ever.

    he could easily have JJ+.

    is stacking off here just part of the swings involved in ring?.... sometimes they have a set sometimes JJ-KK..... ??? i just want to know if i'm supposed to learn to fold here.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button ($14.90)
    Hero ($25.10)
    BB ($11.35)
    UTG ($54.20)
    MP ($37.95)
    CO ($28.05)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A.
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.55, 1 fold, CO calls $1.80.

    Flop: ($5.35) T, 2, 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $3.85, CO raises to $10, Hero raises to $22.55 (All-In), CO calls $12.55.

    Turn: ($50.45) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($50.45) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $50.45

    Results in white below:
    Hero has As Ac (one pair, aces).
    CO has Tc Td (three of a kind, tens).
    Outcome: CO wins $50.45.
  2. #2
    sry man

    waste of space
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  3. #3
    lol.

    i'm not sure what that means G.

    a yes or no would be helpful.... or a virtual tongue lashing.
    guys he's just looking to complain about taking coolers/beats

    he'll continue to be the type of poker player we all love, the one that isn't any good but thinks he is, and slowly donates to the regulars.
  4. #4
    If you're folding aces here you're leaking money.
  5. #5
    i agree!!!

    but you should go read my thread called... "does this ever end".

    some were saying.... "stop stacking off with over pairs on low flops".

    it was very interesting how people contradicted themselves.

    anyway.... i'm a ring noob.... so still learning.
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    don't fold here. look at the board, look at the player and think about things like:

    "can he be on a draw with the preflop action"
    "did the board hit his range of hands"
    "is this guy ever bluffing"
    "does he raise with top pair and gets allin with 1p hands"
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    Make your raise bigger pre your OOP and you gave him implied set odds on the call.

    Other than this you played it fine,his range is far wider than sets only.
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    Corbin he can have lots of draws and weaker overpairs

    The biggest factor is that more than 10% of your stack went in preflop. If you never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever...
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    ...ever ever fold aces after the action goes like this, you'll still turn a profit.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  10. #10
    He's not really giving him set odds, when we have AK here we're not stacking of. 3bet size seems fine to me.

    It's just a cooler, sorry but it's part of the game, live with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minSim
    He's not really giving him set odds, when we have AK here we're not stacking of. 3bet size seems fine to me.

    It's just a cooler, sorry but it's part of the game, live with it.
    Here are my two biggest hands from today.

    Table "Gas" Seat 1 is the button.
    Seat 1: HERO ($481.40 in chips)
    Seat 6: OnUrBike ($886.78 in chips)
    HERO: posts small blind $1
    OnUrBike: posts big blind $2
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to HERO
    HERO: raises to $7
    OnUrBike: raises to $20
    HERO: calls $13
    ----- FLOP -----
    OnUrBike: bets $27
    HERO: raises to $92
    OnUrBike: raises to $178
    HERO: raises to $461.40 and is all-in
    OnUrBike: calls $283.40
    ----- TURN -----
    ----- RIVER -----
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    HERO: shows (Three of a kind, Tens, Ace high)
    OnUrBike: shows (Three of a kind, Queens, Ace high)
    OnUrBike collected $961.80 from Main pot

    Seat 1: Lutherk (£80.13 in chips)
    Seat 2: HERO (£371.45 in chips)
    Seat 3: Djmorris (£123 in chips)
    Seat 5: Theraiser (£306 in chips)
    Seat 6: JornLeth (£247 in chips)
    Seat 7: Ravageur (£304.23 in chips)
    Seat 8: Simmel (£200 in chips)
    Seat 9: Marsdawg (£200 in chips)
    Seat 10: Pucka1 (£71.81 in chips)
    Ravageur: posts small blind £1
    Simmel: posts big blind £2
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to HERO
    Pucka1: folds
    Lutherk: folds
    HERO: raises to £7
    Djmorris: folds
    Theraiser: calls £7
    JornLeth: folds
    Ravageur: folds
    Simmel: calls £5
    ----- FLOP -----
    Simmel: checks
    HERO: bets £15
    Theraiser: calls £15
    Simmel: raises to £45
    HERO: raises to £364.45 and is all-in
    Theraiser: is all-in £284
    Simmel: is all-in £148
    Returned uncalled bets £65.45 to HERO
    ----- TURN -----
    ----- RIVER -----
    ----- SHOW DOWN -----
    HERO: shows (Three of a kind, Sixes, King high)
    Theraiser: shows (Three of a kind, Sevens, King high)
    Simmel: shows (A Pair of Jacks, King high)
    Theraiser collected £212 from Side pot #1
    Theraiser collected £598 from Main pot


    This b.s. is part of the game. Spend more time thinking about the small pots, interesting ways of owning regs and ideal lines vs fish than worrying about folding the quasi-nuts.

    If you had JJ in the hand you posted, then we'd have a hand worth talking about.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  12. #12
    i quit.

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    MP ($16.15)
    Hero ($25.55)
    Button ($42.70)
    SB ($43.55)
    BB ($31.55)
    UTG ($27.70)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with K, J.
    1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, Button calls $1.25, 2 folds, MP calls $1.

    Flop: ($4.10) J, 5, K (3 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $3, Button calls $3, MP folds.

    Turn: ($10.10) 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $7.5, Hero calls $7.50.

    River: ($25.10) 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $14, Hero calls $13.80 (All-In).

    Final Pot: $52.70

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Kd Js (two pair, kings and jacks).
    Button has 5c 5d (three of a kind, fives).
    Outcome: Button wins $52.90.


    i have 1 fucking good night out of 7. every other fucking night.... everyone hits sets and runners and shit and i lose every single big pot.

    i went up 200 yesterday.... my best fucking day every at ring. tonight... right the fuck back down.... minus $50 more. back to my getting fucked in every pot more than $5.

    everytime i post a hand everyone is always "call call call". and every fucking time i've called and lost a huge pot. i'm not talking just this thread.... i'm talking all my posts.

    i don't get how i can be a good tourney player at micro stakes and get fkkin pounded in ring micro stakes... looke it up... jerdood.

    how the fuck can you be profitable when you are calling in all these spots and losing your whole stack. that's fucking insane.

    this is fucking bullshit.
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    here's another.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button ($9.65)
    Hero ($24.10)
    BB ($50.55)
    UTG ($24.40)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
    Button calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $0.75.

    Flop: ($2.35) 3, 5, 9 (3 players)
    Hero bets $2.25, Button raises to $8.65 (All-In), Hero calls $6.40.

    Turn: ($19.65) 4 (3 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($19.65) 7 (3 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $19.65

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
    BB has (one pair, kings).
    Button has 6d 7d (straight flush, seven high).
    Outcome: Button wins $19.65.
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    here's another.

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    Button ($17.75)
    Hero ($24.75)
    BB ($25.70)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6.
    1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: ($0.50) K, 5, 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.4, BB calls $0.40.

    Turn: ($1.30) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.3, BB raises to $2.6, Hero raises to $24.1 (All-In), BB calls $21.50.

    River: ($49.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $49.50

    Results in white below:
    Hero has 6c 6s (three of a kind, sixes).
    BB has 4d 7d (straight, eight high).
    Outcome: BB wins $49.50.
  15. #15
    down $300. i can't even afford to fkkin sit at 25NL.

    i fkkin quit this shit.
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    how many tables do you play and for how long? 300$ swings per session at 25NL is quite large imo.

    idk, but i'm not folding the last 3 hands or genitruc's hands, so standard coolers. also do you think you might have tilt issues? that when you lose one of these hands you play worse after? because this is like normal pots you lose ($-wise) and you claim you went from 300 up to 50 down or something. where are the other losing hands?

    btw. dont forget, you also win hands like these when you get the straight/flush against other guys' trips.
  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by CorbinDallas
    here's another.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (3 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button ($17.75)
    Hero ($24.75)
    BB ($25.70)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6.
    1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: ($0.50) K, 5, 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.4, BB calls $0.40.

    Turn: ($1.30) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.3, BB raises to $2.6, Hero raises to $24.1 (All-In), BB calls $21.50.

    River: ($49.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $49.50

    Results in white below:
    Hero has 6c 6s (three of a kind, sixes).
    BB has 4d 7d (straight, eight high).
    Outcome: BB wins $49.50.
    This hand is pure spew.

    1. Blind on Blind = Raise pre with 66
    2. Look at board texture on turn when he min-raises. Why are you looking to way overbet-shove here, you are only getting beat by a worse hand.

    The min-raise on the turn could be someone looking to see if you actually go have a K, could be someone hit a set of 8's (doubtful as we'd expect that to raise pre as well), could be someone hit an oesd, could be hit 2 pair, could be someone on a straight....of all these you only beat 1 of them so why not call and re-evalute on the river (hoping to see board pair) or 3-bet to $7.50 and fold to a shove.

    From looking at all the hand you posted it seems you aren't always taking into account board texture and are willing to overplay your hands too much with overbet. You need to remember, these will only ever be called when you are behind so is it really worth risking $25 to win $5?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knytestorme
    Quote Originally Posted by CorbinDallas
    here's another.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (3 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button ($17.75)
    Hero ($24.75)
    BB ($25.70)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6.
    1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: ($0.50) K, 5, 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.4, BB calls $0.40.

    Turn: ($1.30) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.3, BB raises to $2.6, Hero raises to $24.1 (All-In), BB calls $21.50.

    River: ($49.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $49.50

    Results in white below:
    Hero has 6c 6s (three of a kind, sixes).
    BB has 4d 7d (straight, eight high).
    Outcome: BB wins $49.50.
    This hand is pure spew.

    1. Blind on Blind = Raise pre with 66
    2. Look at board texture on turn when he min-raises. Why are you looking to way overbet-shove here, you are only getting beat by a worse hand.

    The min-raise on the turn could be someone looking to see if you actually go have a K, could be someone hit a set of 8's (doubtful as we'd expect that to raise pre as well), could be someone hit an oesd, could be hit 2 pair, could be someone on a straight....of all these you only beat 1 of them so why not call and re-evalute on the river (hoping to see board pair) or 3-bet to $7.50 and fold to a shove.

    From looking at all the hand you posted it seems you aren't always taking into account board texture and are willing to overplay your hands too much with overbet. You need to remember, these will only ever be called when you are behind so is it really worth risking $25 to win $5?
    I agree about raising pre with 66 but I think not getting it in with a set on a board like this facing aggression is burning dollars.
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    Agreed with freechus.

    Maybe you aren't ready to deal with the swings. Cash games are a lot different than micro tournies. Try giving a person a range based on flop texture, their stats/reads, etc. It seems like you are just generalizing a complex game by asking "Should we always get it in here if the board is low?". A lot has to be taken into consideration but I do think a lot of those were coolers as "bad" as that makes you feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind
    Agreed with freechus.

    Maybe you aren't ready to deal with the swings. Cash games are a lot different than micro tournies. Try giving a person a range based on flop texture, their stats/reads, etc. It seems like you are just generalizing a complex game by asking "Should we always get it in here if the board is low?". A lot has to be taken into consideration but I do think a lot of those were coolers as "bad" as that makes you feel.
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    About a month ago I got back into the game and tried to find a general answer that encompassed many situations. I realized that this is totally foolish since in most situations, IT DEPENDS!! There is no correct way to play TPTK on any board, but there are correct plays for certain situations.

    These situations are deeply tied with reads, board texture, how the game has been going, your image, how you've reacted to other players, etc. I'd go broke with TPTK on a K84tt board against a 40/30/4, but would insta-fold a checkraise against a 12/7/1.5 nit.

    I might even fold against a LAGtard if I knew he got it in with monsters and monsters only. It depends on so many things, which is why posting HHs w/o any reads and trying to find a 1 line answer is doing nothing but hindering your progress.
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