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    Default I lose lotsa money playing HU

    Definitely not the first 3-bet from this villain, though his flop strength led me to believe he had something here...at least a pair. I've been my usual aggro self, raising almost every button, c-betting lots etc...

    Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (2 handed) Ultimate-Bet Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    BB ($78)
    Hero ($167.30)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.

    Flop: ($24) , , (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $16, BB pushes Hero...?
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    Call of course, what range could he possibly have here that you don't have odds to call?

    Fold preflop and I hate raising 4x as your standard if you're raising most buttons and getting 3-bet a lot.
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    ^^^^ Couldn't agree more
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    Just because you are playing HU doesn't mean you have to play crappy aces in 3 bet pots.
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    Yeah I'm a FR donk who's trying to adapt to looser HU games.

    Why only 3x? Enough to get the job done in deepstack HU?

    So what is an 'acceptable' 3-bet calling range in this spot vs a villain who's 3-betting maybe 1/5th of your PFRs? AJ+?
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    Keeps the pot small so your bluffs are cheaper and encourages BB to play out of position. I think the main reason for raising 4x + in fr and 6 max is for isolation and that's kind of automatic in HU.
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    I'm not saying you have to have a tight range of calling a three bet either. I just chose hands that aren't as dominated as A x offsuit. If he is three betting a ton you could call with suited connectors, pairs, strong aces, and KQ.

    Also if he is 3 betting you too much start mixing in small 4 bet bluffs and/or tighten up a little on the button.
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    Thanks pankfish, mucho food for thought.

    These HU games are fun
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    calling this 3bet w A8o is total spew.

    on flop i don't understand how you could ever think of anything but calling your getting like 2:1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcatdog
    Call of course, what range could he possibly have here that you don't have odds to call?

    Fold preflop and I hate raising 4x as your standard if you're raising most buttons and getting 3-bet a lot.
    I agree.

    Also, I hate pf calls with this kind of hand. Raise or fold imo
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    *waits for another person to tell me that my preflop call was bad*

    Ok, ok, I'm a HU donk, I get it.

    What factors to people use to determine whether or not to 4-bet / call / fold?

    If someone's 3-betting a little light, is it better just to 4-bet more when you're OOP, and call more IP? Would you ever call 3-bets with hands like AJ (and why?), or is it also too easily dominated?
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    This is something I'm looking for advice on as well.

    I think for folding/raising it's simply a matter of determining his pf raise ranges and whether you're behind or ahead.

    For calling, I'm starting to realize I may be calling with too many hands that I should insert into the above paragraph, fold or raise. I think hands that you should call with are drawing hands like suited connectors and possibly small pairs.

    I want to hear advice from people who aren't dumb at poker like me.
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    dozer, villain has to be 3betting like 15%+ to make this profitable with 100 bb stakcs

    u hit gin now get it in
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    Quote Originally Posted by sauce123
    dozer, villain has to be 3betting like 15%+ to make this profitable with 100 bb stakcs

    u hit gin now get it in
    Sauce care to elaborate why V needs to be 3betting around 15% of the time to make this +ev?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
    Quote Originally Posted by sauce123
    dozer, villain has to be 3betting like 15%+ to make this profitable with 100 bb stakcs

    u hit gin now get it in
    Sauce care to elaborate why V needs to be 3betting around 15% of the time to make this +ev?
    I'll take a stab:

    If v is 3-betting that loose, then A8 actually plays well against that wide of a range. But since most villain's 3-betting range isn't that wide, A8 doesn't play profitably against the typically tighter range given how badly it's often dominated.

    I learned a lot from this thread, and from playing a bunch more.

    Despite people having wider ranges, they're not usually AS wide as I originally assumed...

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