2/5 play along deep

[Irisheyes]

UTG is 25/19/6.3. Generally he is overaggro and spewy. I stacked him once so far this session when he min-reraised my button open and I called with Q6s. Flop was 345r, bet/call. Turn 2 and he check/shoves with an ace.

CO overcaller is a 61/0 passive fish but I only have 18 hands.

SB is 23/17/3 decent TAG. Also a bit spewy though. He 3bets 8.5% of the time and squeezes 11%.

$2.5/$5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($936.00)
CO ($317.85)
BTN ($469.48)
SB ($512.00)
Hero ($946.40)
[CO posted $5]

Pre-flop: ($12.50, 5 players) Hero is BB
UTG raises to $17, CO calls $12, 1 fold, SB raises to $56, $51 to Hero ($941.4)?

[freechus9]

Do you think Villain(s) will stack of with TPGK? Rather what are the chances that you'll both hit your TP and theyll have a lower kicker? I think in this spot I muck since AQo plays shitty multiway and we'll be playing for stacks.

[griffey24]

Well this won't be much of a play along if you go by my line, but I just fold it.

If the opener was button, then I'd imagine SB's 3-betting range would be wider. But SB popping UTG, means I give more credit to both the other hands out there.

[Deanglow]

very easy fold

[mcatdog]

Just fold. $140 as a bluff is OK every once in a while but you better have the goods the vast majority of the time you do that.

[Fnord]

I love what all the loose 3-betting is doing for people's ranges.

[zook]

very easy fold

b/c he squeezed an utg raiser - you have a decision if it's co raiser and button caller

[Fnord]

very easy fold

b/c he squeezed an utg raiser - you have a decision if it's co raiser and button caller

BUT ZOMG IT'S A SQOOOZE PLAY. HE'S ALWAYS FULL OF CRAP HERE. AQ IS G00T, RITE? EYE IZ ARE RIN!

[Deanglow]

very easy fold

b/c he squeezed an utg raiser - you have a decision if it's co raiser and button caller

Your question is completely different because that is just 2bets preflop. And yeah I would squeeze with AQ in that spot most of the time.

[zook]

very easy fold

b/c he squeezed an utg raiser - you have a decision if it's co raiser and button caller

Your question is completely different because that is just 2bets preflop. And yeah I would squeeze with AQ in that spot most of the time.

obv I meant if co raised, btn called and sb squeezed

[JL]

very easy fold

I agree.
If you happen to see a flop with UTG still in the hand, you are not going to be happy to get it in 200BB deep if you flop top pair.

[EzDuzIt]

fold. but im guessing you called so lets see the rest.

[The Odds God]

super easy fold

[IowaSkinsFan]

flod

[Deanglow]

let's see a flop then

[Irisheyes]

OK I'm a fish so I called.

$2.5/$5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($936.00)
CO ($317.85)
BTN ($469.48)
SB ($512.00)
Hero ($946.40)
[CO posted $5]

Pre-flop: ($12.50, 5 players) Hero is BB
UTG raises to $17, CO calls $12, 1 fold, SB raises to $56, Hero calls $51, UTG calls $39, CO calls $39

Flop: ($226.50, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero ($890.4)?

[pocketfours]

I srsly don't get preflop, people usually won't squeeze an UTG raiser, especially OOP.

Flop seems like a pretty easy b/f. They will put you on AA/KK pretty much.

[Irisheyes]

OK well I'll try and put together an argument for not folding pf just to play devils advocate.

1) We're 5 handed so UTG is actually MP
2) He squeezes 11% of the time. That's a lot. I'm not sure exactly how that stat is derived but I know that AQo is ahead of a range comprised of the top 11% of hands. Polarise that range and we're probably ahead even more.
3) The UTG/MP opener is loose. Lots of the other regs I play with are nittish. To get your squeeze % up as high as 11% means that when you get a chance to squeeze a loose guy you have to take it a lot.
4) We have position on the squeezer
5) The UTG/MP opener will most likely fold when he sees a 3bet and cold-call in front of him because decent players cold calling 3bets looks pretty strong.
6) The other player in the pot is a fish.

[Irisheyes]

7) The dead money posted should increase the UTG's raising range which in turn should increase the SB's squeezing range.

[|~|ypermegachi]

BUT ZOMG IT'S A SQOOOZE PLAY. HE'S ALWAYS FULL OF CRAP HERE. AQ IS G00T, RITE? EYE IZ ARE RIN!

you haven't been coding in lolcode have u?

[minSim]

Some nice arguments for calling.

But do they really weigh against;
1. RIO of your hand, especially this deep
2. The times you're gonna lose the battle of missed flops
3. You folding against an UTG's 4bet

I'm far from as good a player as you are, but I just tend to stay away from these likely very hard and marginal postflop situations.

[Irisheyes]

1) The player I'm deep with hasn't acted yet so this might not be a problem. Infact it wont be the majority of the time because he opens so loose preflop and (it's only right to assume) folds most of his opening range to a 3bet and cold-call before him. You're right thought that the times he does call the hand will be difficult.

2) I don't mind battling over missed flops HU with the squeezer that much. If other people come along then everyone has to play honestly.

3) Yep this is a problem.

I'm not really trying to convince people that this is a good play but I really don't think it's as clear cut lolomgterrible as everyone seems to think.

[Irisheyes]

Ok in the interests of squeezing the last few drops of advice from this thread, I give you the turn.

$2.5/$5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($936.00)
CO ($317.85)
BTN ($469.48)
SB ($512.00)
Hero ($946.40)
[CO posted $5]

Pre-flop: ($12.50, 5 players) Hero is BB
UTG raises to $17, CO calls $12, 1 fold, SB raises to $56, Hero calls $51, UTG calls $39, CO calls $39

Flop: ($226.50, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $160, UTG calls $160, 1 fold, SB folds

Turn: ($546.50, 2 players)
Hero ($730.4)?

[griffey24]

wow this is a super weird spot.

I can't even imagine what he would c/c with other than JJs. Maybe even AsQ would c/c here, either that or he has the nuts.

I'd check through and probably fold to a river lead on all rivers. Whatever he's pot controlling on the flop, I doubt he's turning into a bluff on the river. I wanna get to showdown now.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Irish- UTG has way to good of a bluffing opportunity when you flat you must fold preflop. Since you didn't, i'll talk about postflop. I expect him to also have AQ a majority of the time taking that line. I really feel like you can just shove the turn here and hell if he had KQ he may even fold it.

[griffey24]

(edit: I had my previous response wrong, cause I thought it was SB who c/c'd and continued with the hand, and not UTG who just called in position)

Irish- UTG has way to good of a bluffing opportunity when you flat you must fold preflop. Since you didn't, i'll talk about postflop. I expect him to also have AQ a majority of the time taking that line. I really feel like you can just shove the turn here and hell if he had KQ he may even fold it.

The problem I see with shoving is that he never has air here, after flatting this flop, since I'd imagine he'd most often jam a hand like AsK.

So whatever his range is, he has some hand that's not afraid of a spade peeling off. So AsAs, AsQ (freerolled), AsJs, AsA, KsK, KsQ, JsJ or maybe TsT. I just feel like the range we beat here is rarely rarely calling our shove. Even IF he had flatted AsK or AKs, that hand got there now as well.