Yes/No

Its either raise or fold, you are getting terrible odds to call.
You have 9 outs for the flush, and I will only count your ace as 1.5 outs (you dont know if your ace outs are any good) and 0.5 outs for a backdoor straight draw - thats 11 outs in totalt. With a bit of folding equity this play is at least breakeven. I think it all depends on how much folding equity you have (at least I think, I havent done the exact math behind this, I might be wrong)

ok, thats bad.
BB just told you to leave/fold.
Id do exactly that

btw, even though its only 3-handed, you are playing a very vulnerable hand out of position, so I dont really like the prf raise.

Villian had lower flush draw.

Rivered a 8

if its the type of villian to call allin with a flush draw, its a bad move

Wouldn't it be a great move if the villain is willing to move all in with just the draw?

the type of player that calls with a draw is the type that will call with a king, which you don't usually want.

Originally Posted by gabe

the type of player that calls with a draw is the type that will call with a king, which you don't usually want.

please elaborate..

Also, how do you (all) feel about just calling his raise on the flop? is money deep enough? I dont mind this play here but I wouldnt make it too often. Also, be willing to play 2 pair/set this way..

Muxy are you a low-stakes Prahlad Friedman ? Isnt moving all-in on flush-draws and sets alike exactly how he plays? 3 handed I love everything about this play including the pre-flop call. I guess the risk/reward ratio is debatable whether it will pay off over a single hand. Imo its entirely read dependent as to how much fold equity you have here, so not sure it makes sense as a general low-stakes strategy. But even when it gets called like this it will make great advertising if you intend to stick around on the table.

No. Pretty fishy if you ask me. Preflop is fine, fold on the flop after the raise.

Originally Posted by Pingviini

Originally Posted by gabe

the type of player that calls with a draw is the type that will call with a king, which you don't usually want.

please elaborate..

Also, how do you (all) feel about just calling his raise on the flop? is money deep enough? I dont mind this play here but I wouldnt make it too often. Also, be willing to play 2 pair/set this way..

1 overcard and a flushdraw is an underdog to a pair of kings, right? we don't want him calling with a pair of kings, we want him to fold alot. if he is a fish, he will call and we will have to suckout to win the pot. a fish will call allin on a flushdraw, so i would assume he is a fish. you can't push draws against fish.

You are getting 5:1 implied odds with NFD, 1 over card. That's probably not quite good enough, unless you think you can take it away from TP on the turn if you miss. If you hit, you might have trouble extracting as well.

As for wanting to push against a caller who will call with nNFD and TPNK...
Assume he plays any K, and and 2 clubs.

By the flop, there are 132 hands he could have with a K and only 72 hands he can have with a (worse) Flush draw.

You win 43% vs. Kd3c (pretty much the worst non AK/ non TP / no set hand)
You win 47% vs KX
You win 30% vs AKs (no clubs)
You win 80% vs 9cTc

Call it avg. 45% equity vs KX, 80% vs 2 lower clubs.

132*.45 + 72 *.8 / 204 = 59.4 + 57.6 / 204 = 57% equity.

gabe is wrong, you should push against this player. Maybe not if he will call a push with a 4 or 5 and no draw.

What are you asking exactly? Is it good to semi-bluff all-in against a completely random opponent (you gave no information on this player) who is showing strength?

No dsax - we drifted away from your opponent before this hand to a mythical opponent (OK, this guy but not until we see that he called with a bad flush draw) who calls a/i with any 2 clubs or any K.

Originally Posted by zenbitz

No dsax - we drifted away from your opponent before this hand to a mythical opponent (OK, this guy but not until we see that he called with a bad flush draw) who calls a/i with any 2 clubs or any K.

i didn't mean if the king and the flush draw were in his range, i meant that if he is loose enough to call with a flush draw, he's not folding a king. the reason you push draws is you expect your opponent to be weak/tight enough to fold top pair most of the time.

Hmmm.... I guess what you are saying is that even if it's +EV to push here, it might not be maximally +EV.

It's not a semi-bluff if your opponent isn't the type that will fold. It's called push-and-pray.

Originally Posted by zenbitz

No dsax - we drifted away from your opponent before this hand to a mythical opponent (OK, this guy but not until we see that he called with a bad flush draw) who calls a/i with any 2 clubs or any K.

I was referring to the original post. I think the play can really only be evaluated in terms of his opponents willingness to fold hands. Without any information about this, there's really no meaningful answer.

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Originally Posted by zenbitz

No dsax - we drifted away from your opponent before this hand to a mythical opponent (OK, this guy but not until we see that he called with a bad flush draw) who calls a/i with any 2 clubs or any K.

I was referring to the original post. I think the play can really only be evaluated in terms of his opponents willingness to fold hands. Without any information about this, there's really no meaningful answer.

agree

It's not a semi-bluff if your opponent isn't the type that will fold. It's called push-and-pray.

Its a call/fold. He told u to go away and i think hes calling if you push.

Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye

It's not a semi-bluff if your opponent isn't the type that will fold. It's called push-and-pray.

Quoted for truth.

It took me twice to learn my lesson on this. You're probably going to need to suckout here to win.