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NLHE lahooozaher
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11-08-2006, 08:53 PM
Post subject: A Very very basic hand
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This is my 3rd hand at the table and I've never seen the sb before. Should I be raising this flop? With a 2 broadway flop I think it's going to be hard to get him to fold and he is a shortstack. Should I be happy getting AI here with very little FE or just call getting attractive odds? If he bets $9 on the flop instead should I push/call/fold? I'm very lost in these basic situations for the nfd. I think I undervalue it  .
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($97.35)
MP ($74.30)
Hero ($100)
SB ($40)
BB ($241.50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , 9.
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold, MP calls $3.
Flop: ($13) J, 3 , Q (3 players)
SB bets $4, MP folds, Hero
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andy-akb
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I raise those type of bets a lot, probably more than I should, simply because they are so often just a bluff. On a broadway board like this there is more likelihood that they may have a real hand, but even still I raise here. I probably make it like $12 or so given stacks and fold to a push but will get it AI on any diamond [obviously] or Ace turn. If he makes a bigger bet its a tough play, I dont think pushing would be bad, but neither would calling. I also could be way off here and with the way my game is going now, I wouldnt be surprised, so Id definitely like to see what others have to say.
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Fnord
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All-in.
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Warpe
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With full effective stacks, I raise him to $12-16 here to build the pot and try to buy a free river card. Against this shortie, any meaningful raise he calls means he's putting the rest in anyway, so just shove when you have maximum FE. It's called beating up on shorties.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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please forgive my retarded follow up question.
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by andy-akb
I probably make it like $12 or so given stacks and fold to a push
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don't raise if you're going to fold to a push
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Fnord
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Folding would be absurd.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
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Originally Posted by andy-akb
I probably make it like $12 or so given stacks and fold to a push
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don't raise if you're going to fold to a push |
Unless I'm doing something wrong, you have to call $24 to win $61 so this is actually an easy call of a push which I think is why I'm convinced by Warpe we should push ourselves.
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IowaSkinsFan
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raise to 12, and bet hard on the turn.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
raise to 12, and bet hard on the turn.
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Why would you ever bet this turn against a $24 stack? You're always getting called if he calls the flop.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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raise hard, if he calls check behind the turn.
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andy-akb
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
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Originally Posted by andy-akb
I probably make it like $12 or so given stacks and fold to a push
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don't raise if you're going to fold to a push |
Unless I'm doing something wrong, you have to call $24 to win $61 so this is actually an easy call of a push which I think is why I'm convinced by Warpe we should push ourselves. |
Yea, you are right, I didnt do the math out. So to everybody saying dont fold to a push, you are right. Thats why I said Id like to hear what other people have to say.
Regardless though, is pushing here really the best play? We have a ton of FE, I agree, but it just seems like a huge overbet. What other hands do you actually play like that?
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nutsinho
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just make it like 18, and if he doesn't fold, oh well.
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Robert
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lahoozer,
I dont mind just a call here, stacks are way to akward to raise
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gabe
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i would do what fnord said, just shove. shoving has the max folding equity.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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yes but a strong raise, like $18, gives us just as much fold equity (probably) and a free card if he doesn't fold. You are going too see the turn and the river both ways.
If someone can argue against this point i'd be amazed. I AM GOD.
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