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Old 12-27-2006, 09:24 PM     Post subject: two bluffs with the good ol 89s #1 (permalink)  
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both opponents are relatively tight, not any meaningful history. ive been playing tight but not sure how much anyone notices.

hand 1
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Hero ($985)
SB ($900.75)
BB ($932)
UTG ($1000)
MP ($1158)
CO ($1919.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 9.
UTG calls $10, MP calls $10, CO raises to $60, Hero calls $60, 2 folds, UTG calls $50, MP folds.

Flop: ($205) T, 2, 4 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($205) 5 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $150, Hero calls $150, UTG raises to $350, CO folds, Hero calls $200.

River: ($1055) 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $575 (All-In)

hand 2:

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($1253)
MP ($1198.75)
Hero ($3075.50)
SB ($765)
BB ($2425.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 9.
2 folds, Hero raises to $30, 1 fold, BB calls $20.

Flop: ($65) 5, 9, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $50, BB raises to $150, Hero calls $100.

Turn: ($365) K (2 players)
BB bets $250, Hero calls $250.

River: ($865) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $360
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Old 12-27-2006, 09:45 PM #2 (permalink)  
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1: Wondering why you didn't bet the flop in hand 1. What's with this guy limping UTG? You can't check so you pretty much have to take a shot at pushing him off his hand.

2: He's calling with any low/mid diamond, raising any Q+ diamond and folding otherwise. But you beat everything else. I guess you don't want to show by checking behind?
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Old 12-27-2006, 09:50 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 What do you think UTG is reraising on the turn with in hand #1?

Hand #2 I like, there's so much crap out there now that he has to be afraid of a push.


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no idea what he was check raising with in hand 2, but he calls too much so i didnt want to push turn as bluff and get called by the nutflush draw. if i had as6s or something i might have pushed over his weird c/r.
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Old 12-27-2006, 11:00 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I like both. I'd probably bet the flop in the first hand but I understand your reason for checking. I also might bet a little more on river for hand 2 bc I think this is a good spot for bb to c/r bluff you.
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Old 12-27-2006, 11:30 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Good

Hand 2: I think you're good way too often to turn your hand into a bluff here. I don't like, especially the bet size. And like bdawg said he can c/r bluff your weakish river bet with a lot of hands.
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Old 12-31-2006, 04:54 AM #7 (permalink)  
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they folded both
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Old 12-31-2006, 12:29 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 Don't you think if he folds in hand 2 you had him beat anyway?..
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Old 12-31-2006, 05:25 PM #9 (permalink)  
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if hes bluffing flop with a mediocre diamond, he will always check the river and try to get a free showdown. he might have Td9 or something too.
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 Hand 1: UTG probably had a set but got "screwed" on the river. Nice bluff

Hand 2: i don't like this. If he has a diamond it's probably relatively high, and your hand has good showdown value if he doesn't have one.
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 On hand #1, why weren't you worried about a lone ace? or at those stakes and those lines it is highly unlikly?
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I don't like 1, just because your river bet is so small! ... he kinda has to have exactly 2 diamonds with no ace or air for this to work. I guess you can maybe not even beat air, so you have to bet.

2... at least it seems like you are suck betting more with a big stack behind...

Both these hands seem to require villian to make a big laydown; 1st more than a second (because at least you have somethin'... and maybe higher trips or baby flush folds... and maybe AK no diamond or AA calls you wierdly.)
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at first i didn't like hand 1. i think it looks like they missed the flush draw as well. i'm not sure why you chose to take the free card instead of betting the flop tho...??
 
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sometimes i bet, sometimes i check
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 if I'm villain hand 2 convinces me more than hand 1 although the fun part of hand one is being able to bluff both of the flushes that can hit

villain makes crying call in hand 2 with low flush?
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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they folded both
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:55 AM #17 (permalink)  
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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