Turn push 2ndPair+FD

**euphoricism** · 08-29-2006 07:13 PM

Villain is pretty unknown since I just sat, but he has min-raised me on the turn before and I folded top pair to it, so I figured he might be just doing that again as a steal thinking I had nothing. He might also have me outkicked, an overpair, or some random hand with a 3 in it, but I have FD outs as well.

Is this a push?

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($21.35)
MP ($8.75)
Hero ($29.80)
Button ($26.35)
SB ($66.50)
BB ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T

, 7

.
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 5

, T

, 3

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.25, Button calls $1.25, SB folds, BB folds, MP folds.

Turn: ($3.75) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, Button raises to $7.5, Hero pushes...

**gabe** · 08-29-2006 07:45 PM

can you show the other hand where you folded TP against him? it might make this easier

**euphoricism** · 08-29-2006 08:16 PM

long gone, using UB without the hand grabber thing.

It was standard, I bet into him on the turn, he minraised, I folded top pair mid-kicker.

**andy-akb** · 08-29-2006 08:25 PM

If I am going to play the draw this fast I would rather do it on the flop. When the turn hits and we only have 1 more card our equity takes a huge drop. On the flop against a single pair type of hand we have the advantage, on the turn our opponent is about a 65:35 favorite. Now, if you put him on a bluff a high percentage of the time you could see yourself become a favorite again, but I think its close.

I hate spots liket his though. The pot is still small and you have a decent effective stack behind so I wouldnt hate a call, but I really dont know.

**gabe** · 08-29-2006 09:06 PM

i think calling here is better than pushing, but im not sure

**Irisheyes** · 08-29-2006 10:13 PM

I think I just check call the turn. Our equity goes way down after the river. We don't want loads of money in the pot now.

**Robert** · 08-29-2006 11:24 PM

Call>push. You need a lot of folding equity in this spot and I doubt you have it against an unknown, even if he has minraised you on the turn before.

**zenbitz** · 08-30-2006 01:05 AM

If villian is stealing then pushing is horrible. I think the only range for which a re-raise is good is if villain has another flush draw (probably better one). If villain has overs or A5 (no fd) he is drawing to only 4-5 outs, and you might stack him if you hit a club that pairs him.

08-29-2006 07:13 PM #1
euphoricism View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 5,365 Location Your place or my place	Turn push 2ndPair+FD Villain is pretty unknown since I just sat, but he has min-raised me on the turn before and I folded top pair to it, so I figured he might be just doing that again as a steal thinking I had nothing. He might also have me outkicked, an overpair, or some random hand with a 3 in it, but I have FD outs as well. Is this a push? Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver) saw flop\|saw showdown UTG ($21.35) MP ($8.75) Hero ($29.80) Button ($26.35) SB ($66.50) BB ($9.50) Preflop: Hero is CO with T, 7. 1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: ($1.25) 5, T, 3 (5 players) SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.25, Button calls $1.25, SB folds, BB folds, MP folds. Turn: ($3.75) 3 (2 players) Hero bets $3.75, Button raises to $7.5, Hero pushes...
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08-29-2006 07:45 PM #2
gabe View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 12,344 Location trying to live	can you show the other hand where you folded TP against him? it might make this easier

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08-29-2006 08:16 PM #3
euphoricism View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 5,365 Location Your place or my place	long gone, using UB without the hand grabber thing. It was standard, I bet into him on the turn, he minraised, I folded top pair mid-kicker.
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08-29-2006 08:25 PM #4
andy-akb View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 1,981 Location Maine	If I am going to play the draw this fast I would rather do it on the flop. When the turn hits and we only have 1 more card our equity takes a huge drop. On the flop against a single pair type of hand we have the advantage, on the turn our opponent is about a 65:35 favorite. Now, if you put him on a bluff a high percentage of the time you could see yourself become a favorite again, but I think its close. I hate spots liket his though. The pot is still small and you have a decent effective stack behind so I wouldnt hate a call, but I really dont know.

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08-29-2006 09:06 PM #5
gabe View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 12,344 Location trying to live	i think calling here is better than pushing, but im not sure

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08-29-2006 10:13 PM #6
Irisheyes View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2005 Posts 4,391 Location over there	I think I just check call the turn. Our equity goes way down after the river. We don't want loads of money in the pot now.

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08-29-2006 11:24 PM #7
Robert View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2005 Posts 1,121 Location Kokkedal, Denmark	Call>push. You need a lot of folding equity in this spot and I doubt you have it against an unknown, even if he has minraised you on the turn before.

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08-30-2006 01:05 AM #8
zenbitz View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2004 Posts 2,859	If villian is stealing then pushing is horrible. I think the only range for which a re-raise is good is if villain has another flush draw (probably better one). If villain has overs or A5 (no fd) he is drawing to only 4-5 outs, and you might stack him if you hit a club that pairs him.

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