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daven
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11-07-2007, 02:21 AM
Post subject: turn nut flush, sizing of river value bet?
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Straight Flush
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I bet tiny on the turn hoping to be re-raised. No such luck. River bet pot?
Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed)
CO ($11.46)
Button ($10.63)
SB ($0.35)
Hero ($10.00)
UTG ($10.04)
MP ($12.39)
Preflop: Hero is BB with [As], [6s].
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.4 (All-In), Hero calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30.
Flop: ($1.20) [Qc], [8s], [9s] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $0.6, CO calls $0.60.
Turn: ($2.40) [2s] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $1.2, CO calls $1.20.
River: ($4.80) [5h] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $4.8
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mixchange
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4-of-a-Kind
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Do 2/3 pot on turn so your full pot on river is bigger. You are less likely to be reraised on turn because you have 2 clubs
played fine though
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bode
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Straight Flush
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fine as played. $3.50 on the river might have a little higher expectation in the long run.
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grnydrowave2
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I like doing this once in a while OOP against very aggressive opponents, but not quite like this. The line usually goes c/c flop, then lead for 1/4 pot (perhaps even smaller). I would only do this with an excellent read, and if I had the nuts or a strong hand on a non-threatening board.
Though I haven't tried it, this could perhaps work well against a habitual floater, though I would lead the flop for more than 1/2 pot, and again I would need an excellent read (namely that he fires a lot of 2nd barrels).
If you don't have a strong enough read to do this, I would suggest that you size your bets bigger on the flop and turn so it's easier to get it all in on the river.
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shove
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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wouterpoker
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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why are we not betting more on the flop here? i want either to blow them away on the flop or build a big pot. or is this wrong thinking?
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mixchange
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Originally Posted by grnydrowave2
I like doing this once in a while OOP against very aggressive opponents, but not quite like this. The line usually goes c/c flop, then lead for 1/4 pot (perhaps even smaller). I would only do this with an excellent read, and if I had the nuts or a strong hand on a non-threatening board.
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cute small betting tactics work somehow at lower limits but the more you go up the more this is going to prevent you from winning monies. Never bet less than half the pot. Remember, you are happy to take the pot on the flop, and many people won't fold at all on principal for such a small bet. You won't know where you are, and if your flush does hit you don't get much of a pot. Bet your flush draws against 95% of opponents on the flop, then theres maybe 5% of tricky opponents who you can confuse by not betting your draw because they expected you to if they view you as decent.
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Originally Posted by wouterpoker
why are we not betting more on the flop here? i want either to blow them away on the flop or build a big pot. or is this wrong thinking?
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fair point, but a lot of people will fold for 1/2 a pot as quickly as 2/3... its not like you "want" your opponents to call your bets without a made flush. You can make money from the flush without hitting it, your ability to bet knowing you have a nut bail-out also counts. You want to take the pot with whatever amount takes the pot -- if that's 1/2, or 2/3. "Blowing them out of the water" with a full pot bet on both streets is gonna hurt when the majority of time you miss and 2/3 or 3/5 pot may be similarly effective in generating folds. To keep suited cards ev+, you need to nail peolpe when you do hit flushes, but also get the foldz from villains. Just remember if you spend a lot trying to get villain to fold and you whiff, you are killing your "fold equity profit" from flushes.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by bode
$3.50 on the river might have a little higher expectation in the long run.
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you have to give more reasoning b/c I feel this is way wrong
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jackvance
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I'd be pretty convinced you had the flush on the river if I was villain when you suddenly switch to full pot. I'd bet like $1.90 on the turn, and then when you bet $4.80 it's not such a big leap.. if that makes sense..
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