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GrindCity3
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05-23-2008, 06:23 AM
Post subject: Turn Judgement????
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 42
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ok so villian is 41/1/1 and i havent played a pot with him yet really.... I know that i really really want to get it in on this flop because equity of ace and the flush draw and gutshot.... but once he calls what is the best way to go on the turn....Thoughts?????
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($26.15)
MP ($15)
CO ($24.55)
Hero ($40.20)
SB ($38.95)
BB ($21.25)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , 7.
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1, CO calls $1.
Flop: ($3.85) J, 8, 9 (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $2.5, Hero raises to $7, BB calls $7, CO folds.
Turn: ($20.35) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $31.95 (All-In), BB calls $13 (All-In).
River: ($46.35) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Final Pot: $46.35
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I gotta get back to the money....
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Galapogos
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4-of-a-Kind
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I check behind. He's not folding whatever he called the flop with, especially since he's going to be only faced with calling 13 into 33, a donk won't think that's a bad price for whatever he has. I'd rather just check behind, hope to hit, and know he'll pay off any river bet on any board.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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dalecooper
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Definite check behind on the turn, as already stated. Look at his flop action - checks and then calls your raise cold. He's not folding, so don't bluff him. Just check and see if you hit.
Also I'm not crazy about the flop raise. Your gutshot has questionable value since it's the ass-end, and your ace may be dirty as well (either of these players could have ace-anything, and that anything could already be paired or could just outkick you). I'd actually be happy to just call the CO's donk bet and hope that BB calls along, getting a healthy pot going. Basically I think the flop raise is not awful, but just calling is better. If your hand was As Ts I'd feel differently.
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tarath
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Join Date: May 2008
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against a station like this I just shove flop. Raising small like you did just puts you in a wierd spot where you have so little left behind that you have zero fold equity on the turn. Making him fold on the flop is not a bad result here so just shoving the flop is fine.
As played theres no possible reason to bet the turn. Just check behind and suckout.
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Muzzard
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2006
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With hands like this you raise the flop to get a free card on the turn if you miss, so why bet?
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,837
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2/3 the Turn and call a shove. The flop Raise is standard people. He has 12 good outs and possibly a couple A's.
Best hand he has is a set. Making most of your draw outs clean. He has a ton of draws here as well. No way he's getting a free river with TT, KT or AJ
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will641
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: getting my swell on
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raise the flop harder. if i thought i had FE i would should the turn, but you dont obv. check back, take the free card.
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
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depends what you think the river's gonna be
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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thizzSantaCruz
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by dalecooper
Also I'm not crazy about the flop raise. Your gutshot has questionable value since it's the ass-end, and your ace may be dirty as well (either of these players could have ace-anything, and that anything could already be paired or could just outkick you). I'd actually be happy to just call the CO's donk bet and hope that BB calls along, getting a healthy pot going. Basically I think the flop raise is not awful, but just calling is better. If your hand was As Ts I'd feel differently.
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I think this thinking is a little flawed. I would rather semi-bluff with weak draws, and call with stronger draws. Basically the higher the implied odds the more likely a call will be profitable. When they are small, a semi-bluff will be more profitable.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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Deanglow
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Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: lol
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I like calling the flop a lot to let in worse draws.
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DJJunkPauds
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by jyms
2/3 the Turn and call a shove.
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Villain has a touch more than half the pot left on the turn.
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