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meeloche
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11-17-2008, 06:35 PM
Post subject: turn a flush deep
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Villain is a regular I guess
His stats are 19/16/2 I haven't seen a showdown with him yet this session. I've got 700ish hands on him and haven't really noticed him until today so that should tell you a little bit how he plays.
So whats the plan?
No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($37)
MP ($194)
CO ($271.75)
Button ($208)
Hero (SB) ($465.05)
BB ($413.50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 , 6
4 folds, Hero raises $5, BB calls $4
Flop: ($12) 4 , Q, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, BB calls $8
Turn: ($28) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $18, BB raises $55, Hero calls $37
River: ($138) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $344.50 (All-In),
Hero?
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bode
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i dont like your bet sizing anywhere in the hand, and i fold river. having not noticed him over 700 hands means he's not doing anything like this regularly and don't think he would be the type to 3x river bluff shove. plus we have to be good here over 40% and i dont think thats ever the case. i think i would probably even fold w/ Jxdd.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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thizzSantaCruz
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I agree with bode, I don't mind the flop bet size by I definabtly bet turn bigger. This is a definabt fold without reads.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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I wudda bet more PF n on turn. I ideally wud wanna C/C that river but that huge overbet n we are both deep I fold.
Side note: ur sig always makes me laff 
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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CiB ldo
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Da GOAT
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make it 24 on turn and id prob consdier it a bet fold line unless i know something about opp. fold on river imo
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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meeloche
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Preflop sizing is totally standard for me and I think raising more than 3x would be a mistake. I agree turn is too small though.
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bode
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Originally Posted by meeloche
Preflop sizing is totally standard for me and I think raising more than 3x would be a mistake. I agree turn is too small though.
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i dont get the 2.5 raise thing, but its not pf i dont like. i would almost always bet $9-10 on the flop (nitty point) and bet like$23 as played on the turn. as played, deep and OOP i think your turn bet size is just begging to be bluff raised here.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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nutsinho
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ignoring the fact that villain shoved the river, i think this could be a good situation to call the turn raise and lead/fold blank rivers for something like 110. This is because villain isn't likely to shove the river over a strong bet with a worse hand because it is hard for him to have air and hard for him to shove so deep for thin value.
Morever, some of his turn raising range is likely hands such as TPGK with no diamond, trying to charge our weak looking hand to draw to the river, but planning on checking back the river. Stronger yet inferior hands like Q9 and 99 will probably bet for value but our hand isnt strong enough to c/r vs a decent sized bet. all of these hands will probably call with great frequency if donked into.
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JL
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Originally Posted by bode
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Originally Posted by meeloche
Preflop sizing is totally standard for me and I think raising more than 3x would be a mistake. I agree turn is too small though.
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i dont get the 2.5 raise thing |
It's not 2.5x it's 3x which is a PSB.
However, OOP in the SB I like to raise to 3.5x at least.
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bode
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Originally Posted by JL
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Originally Posted by bode
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Originally Posted by meeloche
Preflop sizing is totally standard for me and I think raising more than 3x would be a mistake. I agree turn is too small though.
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i dont get the 2.5 raise thing |
It's not 2.5x it's 3x which is a PSB.
However, OOP in the SB I like to raise to 3.5x at least. |
 my bad, im used to HH's saying "raises to"
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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silu73
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I would bet about $100 on the river to take away his bluffing opportunity. Our hand is pretty transparent but I don't want to check-fold my flush.
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nutsinho
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Originally Posted by silu73
I would bet about $100 on the river to take away his bluffing opportunity. Our hand is pretty transparent but I don't want to check-fold my flush.
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nice. polar opposite reasoning arrives at the same conclusion as me. poker is so sophisticated.
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Galapogos
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Originally Posted by silu73
I would bet about $100 on the river to take away his bluffing opportunity. Our hand is pretty transparent but I don't want to check-fold my flush.
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nice. polar opposite reasoning arrives at the same conclusion as me. poker is so sophisticated. |
lols
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I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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sweetlemon69
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Can somebody give a reason as to WHY his bit sizing on the flop and turn "aren't goot"? What are people trying to accomplish by betting 9-10 on the flop and more on the turn. Build a massive pot incase you do hit your baby flush?
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bode
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Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
Can somebody give a reason as to WHY his bit sizing on the flop and turn "aren't goot"? What are people trying to accomplish by betting 9-10 on the flop and more on the turn. Build a massive pot incase you do hit your baby flush?
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i wouldn't call it a massive pot, but this is pretty much the point. Its blind vs blind also so villain will give you less credit.
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