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Dr_Giggles
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09-14-2006, 01:38 AM
Post subject: Turn bet OK vs. mega fish?
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Not much data on this guy except that he sat down at the table and played about 18 of his first 20 hands, raising about 1/2 of them.
Did I handle him correctly or was the turn bet too risky?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $50 (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($49)
BB ($76.90)
UTG ($43.67)
Button ($82.99)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K , A . Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Button raises to $1, Hero (poster) raises to $2.25, 1 fold, Button calls $1.50.
Flop: ($5.50) 8 , 9 , 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.5, Button calls $3.50.
Turn: ($12.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button folds.
Final Pot: $20.50
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gabe
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no, dont try to bluff fish. also i would raise alot more preflop beacuse they call with so many bad hands.
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Dr_Giggles
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Does raising to 4 sound much better?
tnx
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andy-akb
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Originally Posted by gabe
no, dont try to bluff fish. also i would raise alot more preflop beacuse they call with so many bad hands.
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This is a spot I dont really like. We arent going to be comfortable calling down with AK unimproved and our cbet likely wont take the pot down, so in a situation like this is there much value in raising hands like this? I go back and forth in my mind over this and can see it both ways. AKs is way ahead of their range so we should be trying to get more money in, but at the same time we are still only hitting about 33% of the time and the other 66% of the time we cant expect to win with a cbet very often. Raising creates a bigger pot postflop when we do hit and we can simply check when we dont, but at the same time against a fish its easy to build a big pot even without 3betting preflop.
What are your views on this? Against players or tables in general where you lose a ton of fold equity do you raise the same range and cbet less, or tighten up your raising/reraising range?
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johnny_fish
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If there's less FE it makes sense to increase pot equity. Preflop there's a lot of that, so raise. Maybe make bigger raises..
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Dr_Giggles
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Originally Posted by johnny_fish
If there's less FE it makes sense to increase pot equity. Preflop there's a lot of that, so raise. Maybe make bigger raises..
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Do you think there's a fold equity issue with this hand? $80/$50 seems close enough where I do have FE. Comments?
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johnny_fish
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Originally Posted by Dr_Giggles
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Originally Posted by johnny_fish
If there's less FE it makes sense to increase pot equity. Preflop there's a lot of that, so raise. Maybe make bigger raises..
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Do you think there's a fold equity issue with this hand? $80/$50 seems close enough where I do have FE. Comments? |
No, it was a general statement.
About the hand, I don't think it's a good place to second barrel, especially given your read.
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andy-akb
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Originally Posted by johnny_fish
If there's less FE it makes sense to increase pot equity. Preflop there's a lot of that, so raise. Maybe make bigger raises..
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So in these situations you are raising the same range of hands but cbetting less? How do you adjust postflop?
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Dr_Giggles
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Cool, thanks for the responses.
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benny999
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Originally Posted by andy-akb
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Originally Posted by johnny_fish
If there's less FE it makes sense to increase pot equity. Preflop there's a lot of that, so raise. Maybe make bigger raises..
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So in these situations you are raising the same range of hands but cbetting less? How do you adjust postflop? |
I really dunno what's best, but my adjustment has been to limp behind them more often with low SC/gappers and PP, and iso-raise mostly with good 1 pair making hands, and cbet less.
But in this hand I think I'd just call pf. What is the purpose of a reraise if the guy isn't folding to a cbet, seems like would bluff if check to (?), and the pot is already HU/3way...you can just call, make a hand and bet, even overbet the flop to make up for the lack of a reraise. Maybe my thinking is off though...
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Rondavu
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Why are you so sure the villain is a fish? I'm not convinced.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Why are you so sure the villain is a fish? I'm not convinced.
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More than likely he is a fish, but not necessarily. Back when I was at 50NL I'd every so often see a guy come there and play just about every hand, most of them for a raise, outplay the 50NL grinders after the flop and eventually leave the table with three or four buy-ins. I think they were LAGs from high-stakes games who maybe were running bad and felt like blowing off some steam by running over a 50NL table.
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