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Old 10-31-2007, 03:23 AM     Post subject: TT on low board #1 (permalink)  
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Villian is 22/16 af 0.7 over 50 hands.
Didnt know what to do turn, any suggestions? Thanks


[i]POKERSTARS GAME #12935789768: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/10/30 - 10:45:55 (ET)
Table 'Jakoba' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: cRaZeddp ($25.75 in chips)
Seat 2: kILLER SIRSY ($21.20 in chips)
Seat 4: kebo1 ($23.05 in chips)
Seat 5: Noble007 ($35.20 in chips)
Seat 6: tokiidokii ($24.25 in chips)
tandem75 will be allowed to play after the button
kebo1: posts small blind $0.10
Noble007: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Noble007 [Td Ts]
tokiidokii: folds
cRaZeddp: raises $0.50 to $0.75
kILLER SIRSY: folds
kebo1: folds
Noble007: raises $1.75 to $2.50
cRaZeddp: calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [3c 8c 2s]
Noble007: bets $3
cRaZeddp: calls $3
*** TURN *** [3c 8c 2s] [7s]
Noble007: checks
cRaZeddp: bets $7
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Old 10-31-2007, 04:43 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 bet bigger on the flop and bet the turn again.
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Old 10-31-2007, 05:30 AM #3 (permalink)  
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bet turn
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Old 10-31-2007, 05:38 AM #4 (permalink)  
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bet bigger on the flop and bet the turn again.
couldnt have said it better, myself. so, i wont.
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:00 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Why did you check the turn?
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:42 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Good Question Snowbird, makes no sense.

I should just bet turn next time. (& bet flop bigger)

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Old 10-31-2007, 03:31 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Well I don't think it's that obvious tbh.
Do you have any reads on his 3-bet calling range?

First of all, I'd 3-bet preflop to 3 insteed and bet 4 on flop.
I don't mind your flop bet a lot, it's on the lower side though.

On the turn, do you have any idea if villain can be here with hands like 99, AK, QcJc, 56s?
Bet/fold turn is standard. When called I have a hard time not c/f-ing the river, though I'm not really sure thats optimal.

Alternative lines are c/f, c/c and c/r. My thoughts on those lines:
- C/f if villain has a very tight 3-bet calling range of JJ+, AK.
- C/c if this is WA/WB, i.e. if villain is calling 3-bets with PP's only or when he floats a lot. I think you have to c/c lots of rivers after that as well though, which can get expensive. I'd like to here thoughts about wether c/c is bad myself too though.
- C/r I can't see being optimal here.
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Old 10-31-2007, 06:27 PM #8 (permalink)  
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minisim, you are overthinking imo. he just needs to bet turn, theres a club draw and a lotta AQ/AK calls flop here. he reraises the flop with stuff like jacks and queens. maybe its a donk 'slowplaying' aces, but I doubt it. smells more like AK/AQ, it even could be a loose KQs call
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:55 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Yeah I'm probably overthinking it a bit, but in general lots of comments are only like "bet turn", "raise flop", "bet bigger" while there is usually more into it.
Especially when you are in a learning process like most/all of us are.

Let's take this hand for example. Knowing that you bet the turn with TT because it smells like AK, what do you do if you had:
- JJ? QQ? KK? AA?
- AK?
- T9s? (let's say you got here as played)
- junk?
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:08 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I would bet the turn in all cases, villain is playing very passive whatever his hand is its nada, a draw, or a badly played set. most villains go nuts with overpairs especially if they are JJ, QQ they want the money in then. Sets, its common at lower levels to slowplay them even with draws out. And the overall net playing this type of board in a 3 bet pot considering villain's play is + if you compare the times you run into the set and lose some monies is a lot less vs, other hands villain shows up with here. If there is ever fear in villain's heart, its in a 3bet pot.

...and even if we have air and turn is called, if flush whiffs on the river and no A or K falls, I fire the third bullet on the river.
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Old 11-01-2007, 06:11 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Yeah, I was overthinking in this hand, I thought if he called 3bet he could have a set or overpair only thing I'm beating is a mid pair or AQAJ type hand, so I didnt want to bet out of pos and thought I might call a reasonable bet on any non club river.

River was an Ace, check, check he had AJo
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:15 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Thanks mixchange, good comments
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