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Carroters
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04-11-2010, 01:49 PM
Post subject: TT in 3-bet pot vs reg.
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Villain is 23/19/7.5% 3-bet over 130 hands. The only note i have on him concerns him c/f KQx as the pre-flop raiser in a 2 way pot MP vs CO. I don't know much about how he plays in 3-bet pots.
I like just folding preflop now that I look at it. We didn't really have too much of an aggro dynamic where it would be near profitable to 4b/felt TT preflop vs him. I'd been getting 3-bet all over this place this session which probably led to me losing focus and putting myself in this shitty spot.
Flop: I elect to just flat the c bet since I fold out pretty much every worse hand by raising and get it in against the rest.
Turn: Now it's a spot where he either has AK or some random K, AA, a set, or something I beat. I think he defo semi bluffs this turn with a lot of the range hec bet the flop with. We defo didn't have an aggro enough dynamic for him to shove QQ/JJ for value. I think since this turn gives him a ton of combos he can smei bluff with and is great for his range and terribad for mine, I feel like I can stick a good amount of stuff I beat in his range.
Thoughts on calling here?
Here's a rough range that represents some of the air I think should be in here as well as his value hands.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.870% 32.87% 00.00% 969 0.00 { TcTs }
Hand 1: 67.130% 67.13% 00.00% 1979 0.00 { AA, 55-22, AKs, AhQh, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah2h, KQs, JTs, 76s, AKo, AhQc, AhQd, AhQs, KQo }
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($113.95)
Hero (MP) ($181.40)
CO ($99.90)
Button ($118)
SB ($100)
BB ($109.10)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 10 , 10
1 fold, Hero bets $4, 2 folds, SB raises $12.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $9
Flop: ($27) 3 , 9, 8 (2 players)
SB bets $18, Hero calls $18
Turn: ($63) K (2 players)
SB bets $69 (All-In), Hero?
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shakesss
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Yeah I prefer a fold here preflop without knowing much about his 3b tendencies. He is also 3bing a MP opener from the SB so he has to have a pretty strong range. On the flop its really close because if u call you will have to call on a brick as well in which case u are going to get owned a lot and win very rarely. I think hands which he does ship which you are ahead of are only AK and AQ hearts which have good equity against TT. You will also have to fold on a lot of hearts and broad way cards. All in all i think you should fold flop even though you have an over pair to the board. As played i would definitely fold. That is one of the worst cards that could come off second to the Ah.
I think your stove results are a bit skewed because A2h-A8h are probably not in his 3betting range in this spot.
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d0zer
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Moderator
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I think this is fine as long as you fold the turn.
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meeloche
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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This is a fold pre given your position and his position. His range is definitely not as wide as you think it is.
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Renton
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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i think pre is pretty close and would fold turn for sure
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Mr. Diamond
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2010
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I would fold pre and this turn is snap fold
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texa8
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Melbourne Australia
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seems fine provided you folded turn.
FWIW i wouldnt be including 55,44,22 in his turn shipping range??
it would be also nice to have some sort of note or observation to confirm 3 betting with the entire Axs range is in his tendencies
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sauce123
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dizzy
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just raise/call flop or fold turn is fine too
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Poker Guru
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Two Pair
Join Date: Apr 2010
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I fold the turn. The king hits his range.
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