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xptboy
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08-12-2008, 07:30 AM
Post subject: TPTK on wet board (25NL)
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Straight
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UTG is solid regular, cbets most flop he openned preflop. Normally I would have folded this preflop, but he had openned the last 3 hands in a row so I decided to call behind. UTG+1 is a donk calling station and will any cbet with any piece of the flop, UTG+1 is also unaware of position and will call with any two cards as long as they are suited.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
saw flop|saw showdown
Button ($24.65)
SB ($17.10)
BB ($37.15)
UTG ($41.45)
MP ($31.70)
Hero ($25.70)
Preflop: Hero is CO with  ,  .
UTG raises to $1, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1, 3 folds.
Flop: ($3.35)  ,  ,  (3 players)
UTG bets $2.75, MP calls $2.75,
Hero???
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bjsaust
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Why did you call PF?
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Just playing to improve.
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xptboy
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Straight
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Because, I knew UTG was weak since he had openned 3 pots in a row and was sitting out at another one of my tables, so I was pretty sure he was just ending his session and wanted to use the last few hands to win some hands.
UTG+1 was a fish who cplayed 45% of his hands so I would've isolated him had he limped. Everone behind me was supertight, so unless they had a hand they would fold so I was rather confdent the hand would be 3 handed.
Besides, even if the circumstances had been different and UTG did not open the past 3 hands in a row and was about to leave I don't see why it's "that" wrong... I've definitely seen and made looser plays before, and I think it's +EV to call preflop considerring I was pretty sure UTG was just finishing his session and the fish called behind. (I might've folded had the fish not called)
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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Its only wrong, if you're not sure how to play TPTK when you call PF. I mean, you flop TPTK or TPGK or you're hoping for a miracle flop which is a waste of $s.
Obviously this isnt a great flop even for confident players, but if you're going to flat EP raise multi-way pots with moderate hands, you're going to be put into marginal situations. You need to decide whether thats worth it.
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xptboy
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Straight
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hmm I see what you're saying... But if the flop came T63 rainbow it would be a lot easier to decide what to do. But because this flop is so dangerous, I was wonderring what most different people would do in this situation.
I'm not the type of person to decide what to do before the flop unless I'm calling with a very marginal hand (22/suited connectors) and have a plan for many flops. When I call preflop with AT and get this flop, I play it different depending on villains and I'm sure any decent player does so as well. I'm all for making the game easier to play, but if I do the same thing all the time with every hand, then good players will pick up on it very quickly and exploit my tendencies so I tend to get into "some" marginal spots postflop, we could say, much more than a nit, and some less than a LAG.
Errm... could someone reply to my original question by the way? 
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kmind
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I raise to try to isolate the donk on flop and fold to an UTG 3bet and shove to donk 3bet
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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I 3-bet PF to fold out the reg and play a big pot v's the donk, which also makes our postflop decisions a lot easier.
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nutsinho
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by xptboy
Because, I knew UTG was weak since he had openned 3 pots in a row...
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Don't say this or think this. Think "he probably has a weak range". Definitely fold or maybe 3bet pre. As played call and see what happens. Raise/folding vs utg is also an all right play i think.
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