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AnTman_69
Old 12-31-2008, 12:46 AM     Post subject: TPTK stuff #1 (permalink)  
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Vill is 18/15/3 80 or so hands. Has not 3 bet yet. Have not seen nething interesting from him as yet. Have a feeling he's on the nitty tight side.
So hows my line so far? He could be doing this with a draw, but he would never double with a draw me thinks.
I think i should have folded flop, but as played this turn is a call rite?

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BB Moose30104 ($47.35)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Jubes19 calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, Jubes19 raises to $7.50, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: ($19.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, Jubes19 bets $14, Hero ..
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Old 12-31-2008, 01:03 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Flop call is fine mostly because he's pricing you in, also because he just occasionally has something stupid and ends up going for a cheap showdown after you don't fold to his weenie-raise. Turn is an obvious call with a minimum of 8 clean outs and him probably heading for "I will stack off" territory.
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Old 12-31-2008, 03:04 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Flop is fine. Your hand is essentially a bluff catcher now but you have tons of suckout odds so I calls.



 
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Old 12-31-2008, 03:20 AM #4 (permalink)  
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It's possible you're freerolling against AQ. I think he would play this the same way with AQ even KQ because there are few Qs in your UTG range.
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:48 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Ok i called. But whats our plan for the blank river? pot odds to good?

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Stacks:
UTG Hero ($70.40)
UTG+1 TheLonelyOne ($75.30)
CO jkennedy500 ($41.55)
BTN Jubes19 ($65.75)
SB VIVAMTL ($17.45)
BB Moose30104 ($47.35)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Jubes19 calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, Jubes19 raises to $7.50, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: ($19.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, Jubes19 bets $14, Hero calls $14

River: ($47.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, Jubes19 bets $28.50, Hero ..
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:55 AM #6 (permalink)  
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That sucks. I'd probably always call but I suck. He's clearly sure he has the best hand so I guess it's Ts full or quads. Calling hoping to chop sucks so meh.
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Old 12-31-2008, 05:00 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Is this range decent? Im assuming that he will occasionally bluf with KJs. His 3 bet percentage is zero atm...so i put qq+ in there.

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Board: Ts 7c Qs 2c 7d
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.875% 37.50% 09.38% 12 3.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 53.125% 43.75% 09.38% 14 3.00 { QQ+, TT, 77, AQs, KJs+, AQo, KQo }
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Old 12-31-2008, 05:22 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 meh i guess call turn/fold river on the daily
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Old 12-31-2008, 10:24 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I can't stand to not call this river. That 7 is great.

edit: although it's interesting that the flop 7 isn't of spades, so stuff like 87s, 97s, 76s are possible. I still call though.
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Old 12-31-2008, 01:14 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Fold river.
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:07 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 Antman you gotta be careful with adding a random hand you beat to villain's range in pokerstove, especially if it's an unsuited one because it is going to dominate the calculation as an unsuited, non-pp hand has many combinations. I wish you could add weighing and say 'very unlikely' but can't do that.

Compare, in the second one I just added KQo:

1.
Board: Ts 7c Qs 2d 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.903% 19.89% 05.02% 166324 41952.50 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 75.097% 70.09% 05.02% 586132 41954.50 { QQ+, TT, 77, AQs, KJs }

2.
Board: Ts 7c Qs 2d 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.308% 38.46% 03.85% 10 1.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 57.692% 53.85% 03.85% 14 1.00 { QQ+, TT, 77, AQs, KJs, KQo }
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:33 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I fold that river all the time. I guess I should be thinking more carefully about ranges but every time that situation comes up, my gut says "this guy isn't making three obvious value bets/raises with anything worse than what I have, so what am I hoping for here - a split?"
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:40 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 call and jam a black river card?
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:46 PM #14 (permalink)  
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I wish you could add weighing and say 'very unlikely' but can't do that.
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:50 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 A 18/15/3 80 who hasn't 3bet, i see his range like this on the flop:

77,TT,QQ,QT,KsJs, AQ. Most of his range here crushes us anyway.

I don't see a player like this raising with KQ here, and continuing 3 streets with strong betting. You said you haven't seen much from him, so I can't see him bluffing a missed draw like this. Him betting the turn with strength leads me to believe its 77,TT,QQ. I really think you're in value town on the river... fold. Could anyone warrent a fold on the turn? I am kinda of a nit too...
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Old 12-31-2008, 05:51 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Could anyone warrent a fold on the turn? I am kinda of a nit too...
Not with 8 outs to the stone cold nuts and a guy who will pay off a smallish value bet when you hit - even if he grits his teeth during and calls you a donk after. On top of that there's a slim chance we're still ahead or splitting, and in those cases you'll probably get a cheap or free showdown after the turn call.
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Old 01-01-2009, 12:18 AM #17 (permalink)  
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call and jam a black river card?
I think this is brilliant, btw. Bluffing outs gives us plenty of equity on the turn.
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Old 01-01-2009, 12:40 AM #18 (permalink)  
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I fold the river because it takes real balls to triple barrel a spade draw.

I mean I'm happy to check the AQ behind and he shouldn't expect you to call with KQ
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