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holdin2
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06-02-2008, 05:29 AM
Post subject: TPTK on bad flushy river against wild villian
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Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 279
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Villian 82/20/2 over 30 hands. He has been bluffing and calling bluffs.
Flop aggression is really low. He's been betting flop with a hand, not without. He took a stack of me only a few hands back with JJ on KQJ and I had TP, with K10 (he'd showndown crap til that point).
C/F river OK? I probably should have bet the flop/turn a little harder.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
SB ($27.20)
BB ($5)
UTG ($43)
Hero ($24.15)
CO ($24.65)
Button ($113.75)
Preflop: Hero is MP with J , A .
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 2 folds.
Flop: ($2.35) 2, 7 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, Button calls $1.50.
Turn: ($5.35) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, Button calls $3.75.
River: ($12.85) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $18.75, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $12.85
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will641
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bet the flop and the turn harder. i think you can safely c/f river.
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nutsinho
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check-raise the flop and shove turn
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holdin2
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check-raise the flop and shove turn
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Does the check raise on the flop fit in with his low flop aggression? I can't count on him to even bet.
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minSim
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check-raise the flop and shove turn
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Please explain if you want, this seems unorthodox when we can just cbet.
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Robb
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Originally Posted by minSim
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check-raise the flop and shove turn
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Please explain if you want, this seems unorthodox when we can just cbet. |
I think the rationale for the check-raise is that it has a greater chance of taking down the pot right there, and makes as much money as value betting twice (presuming villain folds to the turn bet). If villain has a big hand, he'll shove over the check-raise. So we'll save chips in the long run by ending the hand on the flop.
The more I think about nutsinho's line on the flop, the better I like it. AJ with TPTK is a medium-strength hand, and we don't want to get too involved here. Not sure I like the turn shove, though. If he calls the check-raise, we can't like our chances. What will he call the check-raise with that will fold to the shove?
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dalecooper
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Originally Posted by Robb
Not sure I like the turn shove, though. If he calls the check-raise, we can't like our chances. What will he call the check-raise with that will fold to the shove?
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The shove would probably be much less than a pot-sized bet if the bet and checkraise on the flop are normal sizes. Additionally, given how bad this guy is, you don't really want him to fold to the shove after he calls the flop. Most turns will not improve him, so by all means, let him call.
As played, c/f river is fine.
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BigLRIP
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Straight
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Originally Posted by Robb
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Originally Posted by minSim
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check-raise the flop and shove turn
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Please explain if you want, this seems unorthodox when we can just cbet. |
I think the rationale for the check-raise is that it has a greater chance of taking down the pot right there, and makes as much money as value betting twice (presuming villain folds to the turn bet). If villain has a big hand, he'll shove over the check-raise. So we'll save chips in the long run by ending the hand on the flop.
The more I think about nutsinho's line on the flop, the better I like it. AJ with TPTK is a medium-strength hand, and we don't want to get too involved here. Not sure I like the turn shove, though. If he calls the check-raise, we can't like our chances. What will he call the check-raise with that will fold to the shove? |
flop c/r is for value, as is the turn shove. A presumably bad villain will come along with lots of hands, sometimes as weak as middle pair, gutshots flushdraws and definately worse jacks.
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holdin2
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Well, his flop aggressions was low and the read was he's not betting flops he didn't hit. Given that, wouldn't betting the flop & turn strong be a better line? What would you do on the turn if he checked behind on the flop?
My read was based on his actions as the pfrer. Maybe he and others like him would bet more often when PFRer checks to him. His bluffs/bluff calls I saw were all river actions.
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