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03-06-2008, 12:22 AM
Post subject: TPTK, 3bet bVb facing flop shove
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SB ($100)
Hero ($131.95)
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MP ($75.50)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , Q.
4 folds, SB raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, SB calls $10.
Flop: ($28) 2, Q , 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, SB raises to $86, Hero???
VIllain 20/11 ish and hadn't been making big moves so far. I'd say he is a bit nitty.
It seems more valuable to shove here with air or AK than with KQ or a set... but I also could see KK/AA here a lot.
Who calls?
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thizzSantaCruz
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This is tough but I probably get it in. Agression numbers would be nice. If anything you have a backdoor flush draw. Bet more on the flop also.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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bode
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[x] BvB
[x] 3bet pot
[x] TPTK
= get it in. and your flop bet looks soooo weak here. is 1/2 pot standard cbet for you in a 3bet pot?
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no, I just didn't think he'd have anything. i wanted a call by a mid pair, I didn't expect a shove.
my image is pretty nitty 16/13 so it seems tough for himt o shove here without a good hand
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Meh, i dont see him playing hands that beat u this fast.And its a 3bet pot and u have tptk.Im not laying this down.
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i think i call cause he could easily be doing this with weaker Q, possibly a sd, or pocket pair. but on a side not, why did you bet half pot on the flop? i know its a fairly dry board but jesus.
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mixchange
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I did underbet what I'd usually bet, sometimes my betsizing is awkward because i'm playing too many 6 max tables
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will641
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Originally Posted by mixchange
I did underbet what I'd usually bet, sometimes my betsizing is awkward because i'm playing too many 6 max tables
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thats probably a sign you shouldnt play so many tables. how many are you playing?
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
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mixchange
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anywhere from 6-10
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by mixchange
I did underbet what I'd usually bet, sometimes my betsizing is awkward because i'm playing too many 6 max tables
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Get a bet pot script this will no longer be a problem.
As for the hand I'm definitely calling.
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you can make them default to less right? say 2/3 pot
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Marshall28
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since ive started posting on these forums i must say this like at least once a day:
general rule of thumb - top pair is the nuts in a 3bet pot. DO NOT FOLD IT.
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by mixchange
you can make them default to less right? say 2/3 pot
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You can make it default to whatever fraction of pot you want/street.
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all the ppl who r saying "lol its tptk in a 3bet pot awww in" r giving u good advice with poor reasoning.
i think hes going to show up with AA/kk here a lot, as ur gut probably told u, its suuch a dry board and the only conceivable drawing hand he can have is the cpl combos of JTs which isnt much as well as pure bluffs which r just as unlikely. ur problem here is that u have a hand at almost the top of ur range and to fold this given the amnt of money in the pot u need to know a few things FOR SURE:
1. if hes cring hands which r wa/wb here like TT JJ KQ QJ
2. if he slowplays AA KK preflop
3. if hes capable of bluffing on dry boards
if u dont know the answer to all of three of these questions ur default absolutely has to be to stackoff and chalk it up to a cooler if ur beat--- but this is by no means an impossible fold, and u can adjust ur play vs this villain in later hands.
this is why having such a giant player pool is so difficult and why HUD is just too cool.
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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great reply sauce.
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Thanks Sauce, that's the answer I needed. My mistake is if I'm not sure of those 3, I fold instead of call. I'll try to grow a pair more in these spots... It's funny, since I was up a bunch it was easier to laydown, if I was stuck I'd call. I know it shouldn't be a factor, just being honest.
He pulled a similar line later in bvb, but pairless and jack high I couldn't do anything, so I think calling the shove was correct. I play too scared money in big pots 
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Originally Posted by mixchange
I did underbet what I'd usually bet, sometimes my betsizing is awkward because i'm playing too many 6 max tables
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Get a bet pot script this will no longer be a problem. |
totally agree. bet pot script is a must.
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I'll set one up at home. I'd imagine $7pf is more ideal than $8 because of the amount of blind squeezing I do, too.
Only thing that sucks is sometimes I have to play on a machine I don't have control over, which means no acehud... I think I could put the AHK script on though
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sauce obv nailed it
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Originally Posted by meeloche
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Originally Posted by mixchange
I did underbet what I'd usually bet, sometimes my betsizing is awkward because i'm playing too many 6 max tables
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Get a bet pot script this will no longer be a problem.
As for the hand I'm definitely calling. |
i'm all in favor of getting the BPS, it's a huge help, but i vehomently disagree with using it in situations like this. these are spots (3-bet pots are especially relevant here) where you need to manipulate the size of the pot well, and auto betting 2/3 or 3/4 just sucks, imo.
about the hand, in the past i'd get it in everytime here brainlessly, but it is possible to get away if the situation warrants it. sauce made a great post about that.
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