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Old 10-14-2006, 02:04 AM     Post subject: TPGK, almost 150 deep, wanna play for stacks? #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($49.10)
Button (Mark) ($157.65)
Fnord ($203.70)
BB ($248.70)
UTG ($193.90)
MP ($198)

Preflop: Fnord is SB with K, 7.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 1 fold, Button (Mark) calls $4, Fnord calls $3, 1 fold.

Flop: ($14) 9, 7, K (3 players)
Fnord bets $9, MP folds, Mark raises to $30, Fnord raises to $60, Mark calls $30.

Turn: ($134) 3 (2 players)
Fnord bets $139.7 (All-In), Mark calls $93.65 (All-In).

River: ($367.35) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $367.35

Results in white below:
Fnord has Ks 7s (two pair, kings and nines).
Mark has Jc Kh (two pair, kings and nines).
Outcome: Mark wins $321.30. Fnord wins $46.05.

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SB (Mark) ($310.30)
Fnord ($231.10)
UTG ($443.60)
Button ($189)

Preflop: Fnord is BB with 4, 5.
1 fold, Button raises to $4, SB (Mark) calls $3, Fnord calls $2.

Flop: ($12) J, 5, Q (3 players)
Mark checks, Fnord checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($12) J (3 players)
Mark checks, Fnord bets $9, Button calls $9, Mark raises to $32, Fnord folds, Button calls $23.

River: ($85) 6 (2 players)
Mark bets $58, Button calls $58.

Final Pot: $201

Results in white below:
Mark has 5d 5h (full house, fives full of jacks).
Button has Jh Ah (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Mark wins $201.

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UTG ($193)
MP (Mark) ($397.30)
Fnord ($205.05)
SB ($455)
BB ($131.90)

Preflop: Fnord is Button with K, K.
1 fold, MP (Mark) raises to $10, Fnord raises to $25, 2 folds, MP (Mark) calls $15.

Flop: ($53) J, T, 3 (2 players)
Mark checks, Fnord bets $40, Mark raises to $98, Fnord raises to $180.05, Mark calls $82.05.

Turn: ($413.10) T (2 players)

River: ($413.10) 8 (2 players)

Final Pot: $413.10

Results in white below:
Mark has 9s Jh (two pair, jacks and tens).
Fnord has Kc Kh (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: Fnord wins $413.10.

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BB (Mark) ($289.30)
Fnord ($420.80)
Button ($444.75)
SB ($199)

Preflop: Fnord is UTG with K, Q.
Fnord raises to $8, 2 folds, BB (Mark) calls $6.

Flop: ($17) K, T, 7 (2 players)
Mark bets $12, Fnord ???
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Old 10-14-2006, 07:38 AM #2 (permalink)  
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i would for sure, the guy sucks. i would try to build the pot fast.
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Old 10-14-2006, 08:49 AM #3 (permalink)  
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What is up with that KK hand? Your reraise was puny.

I'd probably raise here against him, not totally sure if I'd stack off here but I'd definitely play a medium sized pot.
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Old 10-14-2006, 08:55 AM #4 (permalink)  
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What is up with that KK hand? Your reraise was puny.
It did what I wanted it to do. Built a pot, shut out small pairs and kept him in the pot to give it all to me post-flop. I'd seen him make that opener with a lot of lukewarm hands, but nothing that bad. I certainly wouldn't size a re-raise like that against anyone with a clue.
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Old 10-14-2006, 09:25 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 This is first time we've seen him use donk-lead? He went for c/r w j9 right?

Since this is 1st time we've seen him donk-lead I'd try to play a meduim-sized pot here as well. Call flop and maybe 1/2 pot if checked to on turn.

I usually see donks lead into me with 2nd pair or a draw on this board. Building the pot fast on flop could scare them away unecessarily whereas they might call you down w 2nd pair after you smooth-call the flop.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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This is first time we've seen him use donk-lead? He went for c/r w j9 right?

Since this is 1st time we've seen him donk-lead I'd try to play a meduim-sized pot here as well. Call flop and maybe 1/2 pot if checked to on turn.

I usually see donks lead into me with 2nd pair or a draw on this board. Building the pot fast on flop could scare them away unecessarily whereas they might call you down w 2nd pair after you smooth-call the flop.
These were my thoughts as well. Seems like the kind of guy who likes to slowplay and trap with his monsters, and play his weak hands fast.

But its a straight friendly board, so roping a dope seems a little dangerous. I'd raise maybe three times his bet on the flop. Playing for stacks seems reasonable - he was prepared to do it on the first hand with TPNK.
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Old 10-14-2006, 04:48 PM #7 (permalink)  
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What is up with that KK hand? Your reraise was puny.
It did what I wanted it to do. Built a pot, shut out small pairs and kept him in the pot to give it all to me post-flop. I'd seen him make that opener with a lot of lukewarm hands, but nothing that bad. I certainly wouldn't size a re-raise like that against anyone with a clue.
How did your reraise shut out small pairs? Against really bad loose cannons you can get away with making bigger reraise sizes than normal, so I would've repopped to $35-40.
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Old 10-14-2006, 07:06 PM #8 (permalink)  
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How did your reraise shut out small pairs?
I raised enough to make it a mistake to call with TT-22 from the blinds.

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Against really bad loose cannons you can get away with making bigger reraise sizes than normal, so I would've repopped to $35-40.
Wasn't sure was his pre-flop threshold for pain was. Blowing him off his hand would certainly be a distater for us given how terrible he is post-flop.
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Old 10-14-2006, 08:21 PM #9 (permalink)  
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How did your reraise shut out small pairs?
I raised enough to make it a mistake to call with TT-22 from the blinds.

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Against really bad loose cannons you can get away with making bigger reraise sizes than normal, so I would've repopped to $35-40.
Wasn't sure was his pre-flop threshold for pain was. Blowing him off his hand would certainly be a distater for us given how terrible he is post-flop.
It was $15 more with effective stacks of $200, this hardly shuts him out with a pocket pair. Bad players will often call off big reraises preflop so obviously getting the most money you can preflop with KK is a good idea.
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It was $15 more with effective stacks of $200, this hardly shuts him out with a pocket pair. Bad players will often call off big reraises preflop so obviously getting the most money you can preflop with KK is a good idea.
I think he meant it was $25 for the blinds to call and he doesnt care as much about shutting odds out for Mark.

I might not play for stacks as much as I should...think I'd play like genitruc wrote, but maybe raise the flop to like 38-44 then evaluate playing for a big pot or not on the turn.
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Old 10-14-2006, 09:00 PM #11 (permalink)  
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It was $15 more with effective stacks of $200, this hardly shuts him out with a pocket pair. Bad players will often call off big reraises preflop so obviously getting the most money you can preflop with KK is a good idea.
he meant tthe players behind him, hes not worried about the PFR
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Oh I see what he meant. I don't think we should be particularly worried though about one of the blinds overcalling though. I still think you should reraise much bigger preflop since he is terrible and calls with a ton of hands and will feel committed to the pot if he hits a pair after putting 15-20% of his effective stack in preflop.
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