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Old 05-30-2009, 01:59 AM     Post subject: Are these marginal, bad or fine? #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1

41/21 over small sample. No postflop reads/stats (I think the 41 is largely limping, not calling raises)

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Hero (UTG) ($103.50)
MP ($79)
CO ($120.85)
Button ($103.15)
SB ($136.45)
BB ($22.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
Hero bets $3.50, MP calls $3.50, 4 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 9, Q, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP raises $26.50, Hero calls $20.50

Turn: ($61.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $49 (All-In), Hero calls $49


Hand 2

SB is 47/0 over 15 hands, and BB is 40/27 over 18 hands. No postflop reads on either.

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Hero (Button) ($98.50)
SB ($30.82)
BB ($60.50)
UTG ($106.40)
MP ($46.65)
CO ($100.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A
3 folds, Hero bets $3, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9) A, 6, K (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6, BB calls $6

Turn: ($27) 7 (3 players)
SB bets $21.82 (All-In), BB raises $51.50 (All-In), Hero calls $51.50
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Old 05-30-2009, 03:20 AM #2 (permalink)  
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First hand I'd just shove over his flop raise, second seems fine.
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Old 05-30-2009, 03:22 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Both fine imo.

If you think the guy in hand 1 has a decent bluff frequency might as well call and let him hang himself. If not, shove the flop.
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Both fine imo.

If you think the guy in hand 1 has a decent bluff frequency might as well call and let him hang himself. If not, shove the flop.
The problem with calling in hand one seems to be that it allows him to potentially take a free card on the turn with his draws against which you're now facing big reverse implied odds. If you shove the flop you don't allow him to control when the money goes in. If he has a complete air ball, I kind of doubt he's bluffing off the rest of his stack after his big flop raise gets called, so shoving and calling have almost the same expected outcome.
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Both fine imo.

If you think the guy in hand 1 has a decent bluff frequency might as well call and let him hang himself. If not, shove the flop.
The problem with calling in hand one seems to be that it allows him to potentially take a free card on the turn with his draws against which you're now facing big reverse implied odds. If you shove the flop you don't allow him to control when the money goes in. If he has a complete air ball, I kind of doubt he's bluffing off the rest of his stack after his big flop raise gets called, so shoving and calling have almost the same expected outcome.
Ugh I thought we had the Ad for some reason. Shove the flop yeah.
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Old 05-30-2009, 05:11 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Hmm true. Normally if I called flop I'd shove a non-diamond turn there. No idea what his bluff frequency is over such a small sample, but I'm assuming that makes up a fair amount of his range there.
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:08 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I dunno, I think they always have it in both these spots.
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I'd like to know the AF of the guy at least in hand 1
fold if it's under 1

can't comment on hand 2, I suck at multiway spots (can't stove it yo)
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Old 05-30-2009, 08:14 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Aggression factor on villain in hand 1 is around 6, but I think thats largely from betting at limped pots. I didnt have a hand on him v's a PFR.


I seem to find worse players than a lot of you by the looks of it.
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Old 05-30-2009, 08:15 AM #10 (permalink)  
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pretty std hands
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Old 06-01-2009, 12:43 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Thanks guys. I spent a day or so laughing at villains in these hands, but then started to wonder if my calls were actually +EV overall rather than being results oriented.

Hand 1: 44 spaz.

Hand 2: SB - AJ, BB - 67.
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Old 06-01-2009, 01:29 AM #12 (permalink)  
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1st one: good
2nd one: Iffy action but still strong hand. Theres a good chance someone has a set.

You played both of them well in my oppinion.
 
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Old 06-01-2009, 01:30 AM #13 (permalink)  
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People play poker bad. I don't like folding goodish hands either.
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:51 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Hand #1, I like as it lowers variance. I might bet/call 35 vs a fish here to induce/reduce free card ops here. Vs. better villain I shove flop since I block his over on NFDs.
Hand #2, I bet flop bigger, say 8ish. Then I'm not loving the call, but I sure as hell ain't folding vs. these momo's.
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