Poker Forum

Over 1,247,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

Short-Handed NL Hold'em

  > 

are these hands conceptually similar?

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
CorbinDallas
Old 10-22-2007, 10:16 PM     Post subject: are these hands conceptually similar? #1 (permalink)  
CorbinDallas's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 509
CorbinDallas
i'm wondering if my play in these two hands are ok.

HAND 1

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($18.40)
Button ($15)
SB ($19.30)
BB ($9.90)
Hero ($48.80)
MP ($10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K. Hero posts a blind of $0.35.
Hero (poster) raises to $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, 2 folds.

Flop: ($2.45) T, 2, K (2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, Button raises to $4, Hero calls $2.25.

Turn: ($10.45) J (2 players)
Hero bets $10.5, Button calls $10 (All-In).

River: ($30.45) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $30.45

villain had KQ off and i took it down.
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
CorbinDallas
Old 10-22-2007, 10:26 PM #2 (permalink)  
CorbinDallas's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 509
CorbinDallas
HAND 2

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($6.05)
Button ($18.90)
Hero ($58.50)
BB ($20.70)
UTG ($5.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with

A, K.
3 folds, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) 6, 8, A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, BB calls $1.75.

Turn: ($5.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.25, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to $55.75, BB calls $7.95 (All-In).

River: ($41.40) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $41.40

honestly... after his turn raise... i felt he had two pair. his HUD stats indicated passivity and low PFR%. so i'm guessing he is a player that would call OOP with a hand like A8.

i have improved my ring game play tremendously by reading the articles here at FTR. i especially LOVE this general rule... if you can beat AA you have the nuts and should try to get it all in.

i post these two hands because they break that rule... yet i think they are both reasonable plays... HAND 2 could've been folded given the info i had on HUD. but if i'm gonna fold that hand... then the same argument could be made to play HAND 1 more cautiously... which would be terrible... although we all know the fish will get it all in with KQ (HAND 1).

so given the "if you can beat AA" rule... please comment on these two hands.

thanks.
Reply With Quote
Clar17y
Old 10-23-2007, 02:19 AM #3 (permalink)  
Straight

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Getting coolered.
Posts: 142
Clar17y
I tend to find that at these limits if anyone raises you after the flop, they normally have you beat.

Sometimes on the flop it's just because they think you c-bet too much, or they're tired of you constantly hitting. But when they call the flop and raise a seemingly blank turn expect to see 2pair/set here quite often.

When i play $25 i tend to get it all in in the first scenario, but something in me finds a fold for hand 2 as every time i make a crying call it's a set or 2pair...

Clar
Reply With Quote
bode
Old 10-23-2007, 04:09 AM #4 (permalink)  
bode's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: May 2006
Location: slow motion
Posts: 4,270
bode is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via Skype™ to bode
 hand 1 is standard given his short stack.

hand 2: VPIP is the stat you want to look at over PFR here. Just because he has a low PFR doesnt mean anything because he didnt raise preflop. If villains one of your typical 50/5 donks then the hand is fine imo.
Quote:
eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
 
Reply With Quote
bode
Old 10-23-2007, 04:09 AM #5 (permalink)  
bode's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: May 2006
Location: slow motion
Posts: 4,270
bode is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via Skype™ to bode
 also, dont include results. it skews peoples answers.
Quote:
eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
 
Reply With Quote
Clar17y
Old 10-23-2007, 09:31 AM #6 (permalink)  
Straight

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Getting coolered.
Posts: 142
Clar17y
I'm guessing from your post on the 2nd hand that you won the first but yet lost the second, and that is where my logic applies!

Maybe as you start going up to $50+ you get tricky tag players raising with combo draws and air on the turn trying to take you off hands but at this limit i'd just stick to getting it all in with top 2pair or better and you'll make money in the long run no problem.

Don't get me wrong it's ok to bet TPTK, you just gotta be able to lay it down too As long as they just call on every street and don't raise you're fine. Soon as that first raise comes in i like having a set :P lol

Clar
Reply With Quote
will641
Old 10-23-2007, 03:46 PM #7 (permalink)  
will641's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: getting my swell on
Posts: 1,610
will641 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by bode
hand 1 is standard given his short stack.

hand 2: VPIP is the stat you want to look at over PFR here. Just because he has a low PFR doesnt mean anything because he didnt raise preflop. If villains one of your typical 50/5 donks then the hand is fine imo.
One other thing, your raises are hella weak, so try to make them stronger. For example, make the raise in hand 1 $4.5 or $5, and in hand 2, i think most people agree with me here, just shove if you are going to raise there.

Here is why:
You should've made it $13 to go instead of $10. Now, that leaves you with $4 extra, so if and when he overshoves, it sucks. However, if you just shove, you get a lot more FE there.
Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
Bbickes Old 06-02-2012, 08:10 PM    Merge Network 6.0 Looks to Retain Current Player Base
In an effort to perhaps keep players from moving to the new Revolution Network setup by the former Lock Poker, Merge Network has taken drastic steps to respond to their player base's requests to impro ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 02:12 PM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.