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Irisheyes
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03-30-2008, 09:36 AM
Post subject: Standardo?
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He's 40/7/1 with a fold to flop cbet of 42%.
Would it be better or worse if I had more outs to my draw?
Is the 3 turn better or worse than a 5 turn?
$2.5/$5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($646.50)
Hero ($508.90)
BTN ($836.95)
SB ($319.00)
BB ($166.23)
Pre-flop: ($7.5, 5 players) Hero is CO  
UTG calls $5, Hero raises to $22.5, 3 folds, UTG calls $17.5
Flop:    ($52.5, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $36, UTG calls $36
Turn:  ($124.5, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $90,
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dalecooper
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I doubt the 3 makes a difference to his hand or to whether or not he calls. Personally I woud check behind there a lot against this player and call a bet or value bet a river ace, or try to get as much money in as possible if a club comes. I think he shows up with a ten, a nine, or something like 88 a lot, and he doesn't fold them often.
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jimmyc
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yeah i agree, unlikely the 3 made a difference to his hand, and I'd almost always take a free card there. As mentioned above, he's likely calling with a pair of eights, nines etc cos he thinks that flop couldn't have hit you. You can't bluff a calling station!
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Genitruc
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turn is a total blank
build the pot, get him to fold Q8 no club (or call with it for that matter lol)... nice bet
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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dev
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If he flats this, and we miss the river, are we c/fing?
If so, do we really want to bloat the pot on the turn when we've only got like 25-35% equity?
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meeloche
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It's a bad two barrel card if we had air here but we don't. We have a huge draw and I would double this 100% of the time. He is going to call the turn with the majority of his flop range but theres a ton of good cards to come on the river that we can triple profitably even against this player.
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Galapogos
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I like it, get value from straight draws/lesser flush draws (he seems to be the chasing type) and fold PPs. The 3 oviously isn't a good double barrel card but you have nice equity anyway and this guy doesn't seem to be the type to c/r turn.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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EzDuzIt
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yeah i think if you do 2 barrel you need to 3 barrel some rivers though like J, Q, K rivers.
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Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by dalecooper
I doubt the 3 makes a difference to his hand or to whether or not he calls.
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I was thinking along the lines of it reducing the chance he has a set.
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Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
yeah i think if you do 2 barrel you need to 3 barrel some rivers though like J, Q, K rivers.
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Does everyone else agree with this?
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Galapogos
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
yeah i think if you do 2 barrel you need to 3 barrel some rivers though like J, Q, K rivers.
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Does everyone else agree with this? |
Hell no.
Edit: I should say this is because this decision should be made based more on the opponent than on the hand/cards. But meh, I'm a nitty 3-barreller
Edit 2: But like I said earlier, I think a lot of draws are in his turn calling range so what's the point in 3-barrelling as the ace is ahead of most of them?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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will641
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i think a double barrel is fine here. i definitely disagree with 3 barreling a J or Q. he likely has a lot of low pairs, 9's and draws. i would expect him to fold the mid pairs after a turn bet, and we are still ahead of draws. also do you know his fold to turn bet frequency?
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meeloche
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I wouldn't say that he's folding all his mid pairs to a turn bet at all. He's a 40/7 but other than that the 3 doesn't really change anything from the flop so he should be thinking that his mid pair could still be good. He very likely could call 2 streets with these hands but he is likely folding to a 3 barrel on a paint card.
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EzDuzIt
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i thinking checking behind the turn would be better if you arent planning on barreling over card rivers. this guy is probably not folding a 10 or 9 or even like 66 on this turn. but hes going to have a tough time calling a 3 barrel.
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microgrinder
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Looks like a good value bet to me.  I don't think I 3 barrel bluff very many rivers here.
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Ash256
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If he calls and bets river, are we ever calling? If so, what kinda bet size would you wanna call with?
I seriously think we could call a huge bet on river.
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Irisheyes
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lol good point ash. I agree as long as the OESD's miss.
I've had a few thoughts
1) Contrary to what I first thought, the 3 is a bad turn card because it means he wont fold A3. He doesn't have sets, he would have raised the flop.
2) The more I think about it the more I like this bet because it value towns everything we beat (draws) and bluffs everything that beats us (pairs).
3) I believe that he will fold 97 and AJ to a turn bet (and not a flop bet) and therefore I don't like the idea of a third barrel bluff. I don't think this guy is folding a ten no matter what peels. I can see how this would change if I believed differently though.
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nutsinho
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this is pretty much a value bet and u have a nice draw if he actually has something
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will641
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Originally Posted by Ash256
If he calls and bets river, are we ever calling? If so, what kinda bet size would you wanna call with?
I seriously think we could call a huge bet on river.
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does a 40/7/1 mean anything to you? this guy is never betting big on the river to a double barrel w/o a good hand.
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Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by will641
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Originally Posted by Ash256
If he calls and bets river, are we ever calling? If so, what kinda bet size would you wanna call with?
I seriously think we could call a huge bet on river.
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does a 20/7/1 mean anything to you? this guy is never betting big on the river to a double barrel w/o a good hand. |
Oh ya, I forgot his low Agg factor too. Although in fairness agg factor of 1 isn't hella low considering he has a vpip of 40.
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mcatdog
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This is a value bluff because he probably folds 77 and calls with QJ.
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Irisheyes
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